Originally posted by AstnerMy problem with the "hole in space/star-busting" thing is that Saitama hit Garou with a slew of non-holding-back 'serious' punches while near Jupiter, yet the planet itself was unfazed... Even if he was responsible for generating just half of the energy required to wipe out multiple stars, Jupiter(at the very least) would have been annihilated by that kind of power... So it's a bit hard for me to reconcile, atm.
I'm not denying that either of them happened happened. I'm just not sure how to interpret them yet.
...Though next chapter we should see the end result of their final collision. Perhaps the energy Saitama and Garou release when they collide is vastly greater than the sum of its parts. /shrug
^ Flashy Flash is not FTL.
Originally posted by AstnerEven though a bunch of Saitama's attacks are labeled "Killer Move, Serious Series" I just don't think he is going all-out with those attacks. Saitama is portrayed as so laid-back during these attacks that the implication is... he is simply purposely not pulling back a normal full punch.
This is also something I'm wondering since it's God, not Garou, who's the final boss.And we had a similar situation with Boros, who was the first to be able to recover from Saitama's casual consecutive punches.
- One Punch Man #36
But it's made clear at the end of the chapter that Saitama still held back in that fight.
Until I see Saitama pushed to the brink and pull out a "Killer Move, All-Out Series" move... all of this is him being casual and holding back.
And when you have just the shockwave of a single punch splitting a planet-busting energy beam... it shows you the heights he can achieve.
^ No reason not to think he wasn't a planet buster. But it's fair to say he isn't a completely proven planet buster. He never busted a planet on-panel. He's like Saiyan saga Vegeta. The Galick Gun attack was supposed to destroy Earth... but Goku overpowered it, so we never saw what it would actually do.
Originally posted by Galan007I suppose if you take the label literally, the nature of the combined attack's impact was not additive in nature but actually exponential in nature. And that was before Blast and his allies focused it in a single direction. But, I mean... dem stars weren't there no more, yo.
My problem with the "hole in space/star-busting" thing is that Saitama hit Garou with a slew of non-holding-back 'serious' punches while near Jupiter, yet the planet itself was unfazed... Even if he was responsible for generating just half of the energy required to wipe out multiple stars, Jupiter(at the very least) would have been annihilated by that kind of power... So it's a bit hard for me to reconcile, atm....Though next chapter we should see the end result of their final collision. Perhaps the energy Saitama and Garou release when they collide is vastly greater than the sum of its parts. /shrug
I think Saitama's "Serious Series" attacks are still done while he is holding back. He just isn't pulling his normal punches. He's throwing a normal hook. He ain't throwing a full haymaker that exhausts his strength.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Flashy Flash is not FTL. Even though a bunch of Saitama's attacks are labeled "Killer Move, Serious Series" I just don't think he is going all-out with those attacks. Saitama is portrayed as so laid-back during these attacks that the implication is... he is simply purposely not pulling back a normal full punch.Until I see Saitama pushed to the brink and pull out a "Killer Move, All-Out Series" move... all of this is him being casual and holding back.
And when you have just the shockwave of a single punch splitting a planet-busting energy beam... it shows you the heights he can achieve.
Oh, I know he's not.
But you know how it is. Someone posts an assertion, so you naturally ask them to post proof. It's proof, alright, but not of what the OP asserts.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Flashy Flash is not FTL.
Of course I'm not saying he can go FTL. Just the problem with Carver's two translated versions with two different meanings( one is he is FTL, the other just states his attacks are FTL).
Thus if there is an instance showed he can't go FTL, then at least one version of translation we can throw out
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
wasnt boros a planet razer, not a planet buster? that bit seems to get lost in translation quite a bit so im not quite sure.
- One Punch Man #36
But in the data book it said that it would "destroy the Earth."
I'm going with the explanation given in the manga because it's more specific and leveling the surface of the Earth might technically be considered "destroying it."
^ That same translation labeled his attack as "Planet-Buster Roar Cannon." I'ma consider him a planet-buster. But I won't debate anybody who thinks less of him. Dude kneed Saitama into the Moon with exertion. But it wasn't his ultimate attack.
If Boros kicked the Moon directly, I'd think he would bust the Moon apart. And if Boros used an ultimate kick or energy beam... I think he'd bust a planet.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Describing Flashy Flash as FTL was a flourish after a chapter title page only IIRC. I don't consider that on nearly the same level as on-panel narration. Particularly not when their actions are specifically measured in the microsecond scale in surrounding chapters.
Reasons? From what I can recall there isn't instance explicitly depicted he can't go FTLOf course I'm not saying he can go FTL. Just the problem with Carver's two translated versions with two different meanings( one is he is FTL, the other just states his attacks are FTL).
Thus if there is an instance showed he can't go FTL, then at least one version of translation we can throw out
Originally posted by ODG
^ That same translation labeled his attack as "Planet-Buster Roar Cannon." I'ma consider him a planet-buster. But I won't debate anybody who thinks less of him.
Vegeta's "Big Bang Attack" had very little to do with the Big Bang after all.
^ I don't disagree with this.
I just think Boros would've busted the Moon if he used the same knee move on the Moon's surface directly like he did when he launched Saitama. And that wasn't Boros' ultimate attack. The Planet-Buster Roar Cannon was his ultimate attack. So I think it would bust a planet.
Also... I think I am misreading the three-way fight between Flashy Flash, Platinum Sperm and Monsterized Garou. It looks like they exceeded microsecond speeds.
Originally posted by ODGIt's just a very bizarre/ambiguous feat, imo.
I suppose if you take the label literally, the nature of the combined attack's impact was not additive in nature but actually exponential in nature. And that was before Blast and his allies focused it in a single direction. But, I mean... dem stars weren't there no more, yo.I think Saitama's "Serious Series" attacks are still done while he is holding back. He just isn't pulling his normal punches. He's throwing a normal hook. He ain't throwing a full haymaker that exhausts his strength.
When Saitama got to Jupiter's moon he was like "okay, cool. I can finally let loose"... And then proceeded to hit Garou with a "Killer Moves - Serious Series: Omni-Directional Serious Punch"... Which successfully hit its mark and didn't even affect Jupiter itself. It just kind of scattered the moon debris a little more.
Yet somehow...while on earth...the colliding punches of he and Garou unleashed a cumulative energy that seemed to have wiped out a multitude of stars(while Saitama was holding back even moreso, mind you)..? Doesn't really make sense to me, unless the energy released from their collision was exponentially multiplied for whatever reason. Because like I mentioned before: even if Saitama just generated a small fraction of said "starS-busting energy" while on earth, his 'killer/serious' punch should have logically vaporized Jupiter at the very least... And yes, I know collateral damage isn't always the end-all/be-all in this medium, but it seems to be a decent measuring stick in this scenario, which is why I'm bringing it up.
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I just don't know what to make of that feat right now, is all. Maybe the subsequent chapter(s) will give us some kind of explanation.
Originally posted by Galan007I interpreted that as Saitama using after-images to make it look like he was approaching at every angle. But in the end, it was a just a single serious punch.
It's just a very bizarre/ambiguous feat, imo.When Saitama got to Jupiter's moon he was like "okay, cool. I can finally let loose"... And then proceeded to hit Garou with a "Killer Moves - Serious Series: Omni-Directional Serious Punch"... Which successfully hit its mark and didn't even affect Jupiter itself. It just kind of scattered the moon debris a little more.
If that's the case, then Saitama unleashes only two, possibly three, serious punches. Along with his serious table flip.
EDIT: Also, a direct serious punch landing doesn't necessarily lead to moon or planet busting damage. Saitama hit Evil Natural Water with a serious punch directly and just split an ocean.
Originally posted by ODG
^ That's what I thought. But I just read them again. When Monsterized Garou attacks Fuhrer Ugly and Evil Natural Water... it's milliseconds. But when Flashy Flash, Platinum Sperm and Monsterized Garou fight... their moves are exceeding microseconds.Maybe I'm too drunk... someone else take a look.
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Then it likely between the realm of milliseconds and microseconds( exceeds milliseconds, however not breaks into microseconds)
A typical one-hundredths of a second digital watch is like this
A one-thousandths of a second digital watch is like this
So the notation 00:00'00''00'''01 is likely referring to Hour:Minute'Second''Hundredth second'''Ten thousandth second
Originally posted by ODGI don't disagree there.
I interpreted that as Saitama using after-images to make it look like he was approaching at every angle. But in the end, it was a just a single serious punch.If that's the case, then Saitama unleashes only two, possibly three, serious punches. Along with his serious table flip.
But even just one "uncuffed killer/serious punch" should have had far more destructive output than what we saw, if indeed Saitama's output while holding back moreso on earth was partially responsible for destroying a multitude of stars, no?
Originally posted by ODGYeah, that's why I mentioned above that collateral damage isn't always a reliable measuring stick... But in this particular arc, showcasing as much collateral damage at possible seems to be the primary metric they're using to depict the type of output on display in this battle(what with Saitama finally letting loose like never before), which is why the feat(s) seem a bit hard to reconcile from my POV.
EDIT: Also, a direct serious punch landing doesn't necessarily lead to moon or planet busting damage. Saitama hit Evil Natural Water with a serious punch directly and just split an ocean.
That said, I could be completely off-base here. That was just my initial thought after reading the last few chapters. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
My problem with the "hole in space/star-busting" thing is that Saitama hit Garou with a slew of non-holding-back 'serious' punches while near Jupiter, yet the planet itself was unfazed... Even if he was responsible for generating just half of the energy required to wipe out multiple stars, Jupiter(at the very least) would have been annihilated by that kind of power... So it's a bit hard for me to reconcile, atm....Though next chapter we should see the end result of their final collision. Perhaps the energy Saitama and Garou release when they collide is vastly greater than the sum of its parts. /shrug
We both know this isn't how comics or anime works.
