Originally posted by SmurphPIS is supposed to be off by default. But if the notion is connected to a character's personality, CIS isn't off. If that's the character's propensity on-panel, that's how he'll operate in a standard forum fight. Having said that, anybody could make a Black Adam thread where he's using his Dhritishastra to the fullest. We've never seen it on-panel as far as we know, but you could still discuss it.
of course, CIS is on by default, so it’s a bit moot
Originally posted by SmurphSuperman has utilized martial skill against Kryptonians before when flight was involved, right? So not sure we can make that generalization yet.
It would be funny though, if Dhritishastra was so technically complex, with all its impossible-to-learn forms, that it fell apart and was useless in aerial combat.So an immortal h2h master becomes a regular brick as soon as flight is involved.
But... if the forms and techniques of Dhritishastra are entirely based on utilizing your center of gravity based on your footing... that's a plausible explanation. That would be funny.
Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah. So much of martial arts is about using leverage against your opponent… but a flying opponent could always create their own leverage, lol.
Well, that is always my headcanon when concerning super-powered people's MA tend to be nonexist when fighting another super-powered opponent
Many martial arts just can't apply to it, since MA are designed for humans. For example, It is iffy to argue pressure point attack will work on someone like Wildfire who doesn't have internal organs/pure energy being
Originally posted by Robtard
Did you see Synder released another cut of it called "Justice League: Justice is Gray", it's the same film, just in black-and-white.What an assclown.
😂
Had no idea, but it doesn't surprise me.
Remember how many different "special editions" Snyder always loved to make money on? And still does, apparently.
Director's Cut, Ultimate Cut, Super-Duper Hyper Mega Ultra Even-More-Ultimate Cut...
I mean, see how many cuts of Watchmen exist, that's probably the best example.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Noobmaster69 will pay for his insults,this is true. I just was disappointed with almost every action sequence and the story in general.
Infinity War was all about action. And had one of those rare moments with villain succeeding in his goals.
Endgame was more about time shenanigans and making the good guys win. First part dominated the film and the latter is bland and overused, it happens in most Hollywood films, even outside of the superhero genre.
Originally posted by SmurphYeah, many of the mechanics of fighting in the air change or remove some of the abilities pertaining to hand to hand combat -- pining for example[wrestling], mounting the opponent [bjj] etc. But at the same time, a sufficiently skilled opponent should be able to adapt and use their skills in the air, too, similar to how Batman did against Karate Kid who, besides being god-like in martial arts is also proficient in aerial combat:
Yeah. So much of martial arts is about using leverage against your opponent… but a flying opponent could always create their own leverage, lol.
It definitely changes quite a few things, but at the same time a lot of the more used abilities like pressure points or, well, hitting people [with modified leverage], stays the same.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998It exists, writers just don't use them most of the time. This showing for Black Adam will be quickly forgotten once the movie is out [:* Stilt], it's just a random push for a character who will get mainstream attention.
Well, that is always my headcanon when concerning super-powered people's MA tend to be nonexist when fighting another super-powered opponentMany martial arts just can't apply to it, since MA are designed for humans. For example, It is iffy to argue pressure point attack will work on someone like Wildfire who doesn't have internal organs/pure energy being
Of course characters with different composition aren't as affected by pressure points -- Wildfire, or shapeshifters like Martian Manhunter can nullify much of the skill [though Midnighter sends his regards] but we've seen pressure points and various wrestling/bjj holds used by flying bricks, too.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYou can spot the skilled flying bricks by the role they play -- i.e. Wonder Woman [Amazon Goddess], Orion [Dog of War -- in fact if I expected anybody to pull what Black Adam did, it's these two, but they can't Shazam themselves into normal humans].
Yes, I kind of doubt it will be referenced again.Which is too bad, frankly, as DC has plenty of those flying, superman-ish bricks... but how many of them are skilled?
Diana for sure, anyone else?
Then you have the likes of Zod [alien military training], as an example:
Of course there's the likes of Big Barda, Mongul and whatnot, but I assume you mean more 'mainstream' ones.
Originally posted by ODG
Understood. I will not argue its elite speedster level because I really only consider the Flash family on that tier. But, consider the following... That wasn't Monsterized Garou's limit either, right? After all, Monsterized Garou kicked it up a notch on two additional levels afterwards in his other fights.And we wouldn't argue that Monsterized Garou's limit is Awakened Garou's limit either, right?
And we are seeing that Awakened Garou ain't sh1t compared to a one-handed Saitama, right?
So... y'know... whether certain posters want to elevate Flashy Flash by implication, Saitama a different beast, yo.
Oh pretty much, but that assumes OPM scales as we think it should (with the only 'debate' around this being the nature of storytelling, where A+B doesn't always equal C). We are having this discussion now with BA - on the face of it, his skills as Teth, coupled with the Wisdom (which SHOULD negate CIS) AND the speed/strength/stamina etc, means that BA should be trans level.
I get your point- he holds back his skills because he feels superior etc. But look at the recent fight with Darkseid's copy - he knew the stakes were high, he knew DS is a bad mofo - yet, he fought as a brick. He didn't use these skills when fighting heroes in WW3, not when the chips were down etc. Of course, we know its because he is having a filmic push, but in-universe? I doubt we'll ever really see this again.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Sorry for the confusion but there were several conversations going on which I participated in. That particular post you quoted where I mentioned Flashy Flash and Monsterized Garou have nothing to do with Black Adam.
Oh pretty much, but that assumes OPM scales as we think it should (with the only 'debate' around this being the nature of storytelling, where A+B doesn't always equal C). We are having this discussion now with BA - on the face of it, his skills as Teth, coupled with the Wisdom (which SHOULD negate CIS) AND the speed/strength/stamina etc, means that BA should be trans level.I get your point- he holds back his skills because he feels superior etc. But look at the recent fight with Darkseid's copy - he knew the stakes were high, he knew DS is a bad mofo - yet, he fought as a brick. He didn't use these skills when fighting heroes in WW3, not when the chips were down etc. Of course, we know its because he is having a filmic push, but in-universe? I doubt we'll ever really see this again.
Originally posted by carver9
Sin always think people are holding back. Nothing in that showing points to Batman pulling back anything. Heck, he threw the first hit.
No, I just don't like reading scans without context to the scene. It's rarely ever a straight up fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
Uatu's feats in the new F4 issue were... Quite something.
Yea but Johnny was still acting like a child. Zero character development..sad
Originally posted by PhilosophíaYeah, good points and examples. My headcanon fan theory is just that Dhritishastra in particular doesn't translate to aerial combat and that while Teth Adam knows that incredibly complex martial art, he may not have the breadth of other styles that Bruce has.
Yeah, many of the mechanics of fighting in the air change or remove some of the abilities pertaining to hand to hand combat -- pining for example[wrestling], mounting the opponent [bjj] etc. But at the same time, a sufficiently skilled opponent should be able to adapt and use their skills in the air, too, similar to how Batman did against Karate Kid who, besides being god-like in martial arts is also proficient in aerial combat:It definitely changes quite a few things, but at the same time a lot of the more used abilities like pressure points or, well, hitting people [with modified leverage], stays the same. It exists, writers just don't use them most of the time. This showing for Black Adam will be quickly forgotten once the movie is out [:* Stilt], it's just a random push for a character who will get mainstream attention.
Of course characters with different composition aren't as affected by pressure points -- Wildfire, or shapeshifters like Martian Manhunter can nullify much of the skill [though Midnighter sends his regards] but we've seen pressure points and various wrestling/bjj holds used by flying bricks, too.
It doesn't mean that nothing translates to BA's fights. We know he can throw a mean punch.
