Originally posted by DarkSaint85If we take Odin's on-panel explanation for how the Odinforce works, then Thor must be using the Thorforce to empower Mjolnir. When Angela had Heven reforge Mjolnir at the end of God of Hammers, Mjolnir was literally just a magicless uru hammer:
You think he's using the Thorforce? I can certainly see why you'd think so, and I don't disagree, but how would that mesh with Banner of War, for example?Hulk picks it up, gets an amp....so Thor is amping his opponent?
The Motherstorm had been completely burned out of Mjolnir, so it cannot be the Motherstorm. And if Odin truly died to pass on the entirety of the Odinforce to Thor, then there is no Odinforce anymore, it's just the Thorforce now. So Odin shouldn't have the actual power to be empowering Mjolnir now.
But during Banner of War, we saw Mjolnir acting like the Mjolnir of old: controlling weather, granting flight, spinning superfast, emitting lightning, being too heavy to lift, homing in on targets, granting the literal power of Thor, energy manipulation by draining gamma radiation, matter manipulation by restoring Yggdrassil, etc.
So either the Thorforce is empowering Mjolnir... or Odin is way more than just a Odinpower-less spectre.
I thought Odin was way more. But then, again, it doesn't chime with him giving up all of his power to Thor.
Like I said, it's all weird. And if it is INDEED the Thorforce empowering Mjolnir, why couldn't he just recall it and stop Banner from getting amped(although I guess he was raged out of his mind at the time)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85You're right. It doesn't chime. Indeed, Odin's spectre being able to control Mjolnir against Thor's wishes tends against that. So maybe Thor is unconsciously allowing Odin to access the Thorforce for purposes of making Heven-forged Mjolnir as powerful as classic Mjolnir.
I thought Odin was way more. But then, again, it doesn't chime with him giving up all of his power to Thor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Thor being raged out of his mind is a simple explanation as to why he couldn't just control Mjolnir. He wasn't smart enough to think of it. But even with that convenient explanation, that doesn't rule out the possibility that Odin had independent power over Mjolnir... given that Odin was controlling Mjolnir before Thor ever got gammified.
Like I said, it's all weird. And if it is INDEED the Thorforce empowering Mjolnir, why couldn't he just recall it and stop Banner from getting amped(although I guess he was raged out of his mind at the time)
Transformers: Last Bot Standing was awesome.
Rodimus Prime goes Jason Vorhee's on the last Cybertronians alive, because they pulp humans like livestock for food.
Actually very seasonal, like a horror story.
Wheelie is in it. He's a head attached to wheels, and his broken mind stops the rhymes, saying only Haiku instead.
Sunbuster. Truly a fearsome tactic, that incredibly smart posters should use in a BZ.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not throwing anything.This is ASM #589. Whilst in the midst of fighting Spiderman, Spot creates a bridge (think like Stargate) between Brooklyn and Seattle, and throws someone through it.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/Spider-Man589017_zps73493a4d.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/Spider-Man589018_zps88b39811.jpgIOW, I could do the same from inside the Spot World. Just create a bridge between two points.
Except my bridge is between the Sun's core and within a 50 mile-ish radius of you. With your massive storm control, it would be easy to find you - you'll be at the centre. Reflassh is with me, and what were the odds I got lucky and opened a portal right next to you??
Now, how do I get Sun material to you? I can't hold it, obviously.
Well, the Sun's core is under tremendous pressure. Unimaginable. My portals would be like punching a hole in a pressurised can - as soon as I open it, it would come rushing out. High pressure to low pressure.
When it enters our Earth, it will expand massively (high pressure, remember). The result will be a gigantic bomb, which would likely burn all the oxygen within its radius and have a massive shockwave.
You die.
