Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Because my fellow Thor fans want to make it a battle amp to compete with Superman but it's not. It's an amp for sure but more on a metaphysical level I suppose
The thing is, that wasn't just any thread Thor snapped. It was a thread of fate.
Breaking it should require unimaginable power.
And the fact the Ones Who Sit in Shadow didn't simply stop Thor, must mean they couldn't, in spite of their demonstrated ability to whisk Loki between realms at will.
Originally posted by Astner
You're wrong.They were the Beyonders, and Rune King Thor never slew them.
- Loki Agent of Asgard #14.
I got my info by just doing a Marvel.com search, haven't read the story:
https://www.marvel.com/teams-and-groups/those-who-sit-above-in-shadow
They didn't even update it about The Beyonders, still claims they're mysterious unknowns. 😂
Well, breaking a Fate thread should still be a big deal. Not like any old scissors will do it, and I bet Superman Shazam couldn't snap them.
Tried digging up more on OWSIS being Beyonders:
https://www.quora.com/Are-the-Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-Shadows-Marvel-actually-Beyonders
Looks to be ambiguous. Was this ever confirmed?
Originally posted by cdtm
Well, breaking a Fate thread should still be a big deal. Not like any old scissors will do it, and I betSupermanShazam couldn't snap them.
Originally posted by cdtm
Looks to be ambiguous. Was this ever confirmed?
And speaking of Beyonders:
Marvel power scaling is kind of ridiculous. You've got a story where Owen Reice towers above every cosmic being in Marvel, yet is treated as a second stringer chump.
The Celestials get dwarfed by an Infinity Gauntlet, which these days isn't even that big a cosmic thing. I mean, it's like if Dragon Ball introduced Zen-Oh and had him squish a multiverse, and the next panel he's shining shoes of all these beings who laugh about how pathetic he is.
Originally posted by Galan007That sort of interpretation would make sense if the progression of the panels portrayed an ever increasing hierarchy of power punctuated by Lucifer’s form being some sort of epic revelation to Constantine. I place Upsidedown Man above Trigon so him being first doesn’t follow the escalation pattern. And Constantine isn’t shocked by the final form. And I truly doubt DC editorial decided to have the GEB’s true form be revealed in a tie-in rather than in Dark Crisis’s actual issues. I mean, maybe I’m giving DC too much credit…
My reading of it was that GEB initially took the form(s) of the villains who were more familiar to Constantine, in order to further convey the fact that virtually any 'big bad' in DC history was merely part of its totality -- whereas Lucifer himself [the final form GEB took] was the totality(or at least the closest approximation of it.)As mentioned, Watters himself already solidified his viewpoint on the matter: Lucifer and GEB are one in the same -- Lucifer was literally created to be the darkness to the Presence's light. So the fact that Watters was also one of the writers of this issue just lends credence to the notion that Lucifer IS GEB.
Originally posted by SmurphI’d co-sign this but for the suggestion that we’re splitting hairs. GEB being an aspect of Lucifer or Lucifer being an aspect of GEB is a very stark distinction in comics lore.
As mentioned, that is not quite my interpretation, but it may be splitting hairs.Anyways: calling it now that Superman et al. will form a counter Vultron with big S as the heart, Bats as the brain, etc
The Great Dorkness
lThe finale of Dark Crisis will shed more light…
… or not.
Originally posted by AstnerThe use of language is too obvious to dismiss. But if you take The Ones Who Sit Above In Shadow’s words at face value… then they acknowledged Odin’s belief that they were slain and no longer existed once RKT broke the Ragnarok cycle.
You're wrong.They were the Beyonders, and Rune King Thor never slew them.
- Loki Agent of Asgard #14.
Originally posted by ODG
That sort of interpretation would make sense if the progression of the panels portrayed an ever increasing hierarchy of power punctuated by Lucifer’s form being some sort of epic revelation to Constantine. I place Upsidedown Man above Trigon so him being first doesn’t follow the escalation pattern. And Constantine isn’t shocked by the final form. And I truly doubt DC editorial decided to have the GEB’s true form be revealed in a tie-in rather than in Dark Crisis’s actual issues. I mean, maybe I’m giving DC too much credit… I’d co-sign this but for the suggestion that we’re splitting hairs. GEB being an aspect of Lucifer or Lucifer being an aspect of GEB is a very stark distinction in comics lore.lThe finale of Dark Crisis will shed more light…
… or not.
Would love to read about Upside Down Man first hand, but Justice League Dark is such a slog to read through...
Dark Multiversal abominations tend to be waaaay more powerful then some universal despot though.
Originally posted by cdtmMethinks you should read the Justice League Dark issues featuring Upside Down Man.
Would love to read about Upside Down Man first hand, but Justice League Dark is such a slog to read through...
Originally posted by cdtmBruh, the KMC-legendary multiverses True Form Darkseid still gets punched by President Superman.
Dark Multiversal abominations tend to be waaaay more powerful then some universal despot though.
Originally posted by ODG
Methinks you should read the Justice League Dark issues featuring Upside Down Man. Bruh, the KMC-legendary multiverses True Form Darkseid still gets punched by President Superman.
Yeah but I always end up missing out on context when I skip issues because of out of sequence bs and crossovers. Which makes you feel compelled to read the whole thing, and when you do you end up feel conflicted between finally getting it, yet wanting the time back reading all the stuff you could care less about.
Sort of like your average comic book mega event actually. 🙂
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Link
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Miracleman-2022/Issue-0?id=206435#35
Originally posted by Astner
Is it bad? I thought it would be worth checking out....I never understood the hype around Rune King Thor. He killed Mangog, and put an end to Ragnarok (by smashing spool of thread), and he's allegedly has a greater command over the runes than Odin did because he sacrificed more. But that's it. Nothing suggest that he's beyond sky-father level.
I could definitely see Superman, God of Strength; or Superman Prime put up a fight. Not to mention that there are a few incarnations of Superman that would definitively win, e.g. Strange Visitor.
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It's bad, really bad!
Originally posted by ODGI had considered this... But in that case, why wouldn't GEB have continued shuffling through random villains for the entirety of their convo, never establishing a single form/state? The fact that he seemed to have settled on Lucifer's form(in addition to Watters being a writer) is what makes me think he[Lucifer] was meant to represent GEB itself.
That sort of interpretation would make sense if the progression of the panels portrayed an ever increasing hierarchy of power punctuated by Lucifer's form being some sort of epic revelation to Constantine. I place Upsidedown Man above Trigon so him being first doesn't follow the escalation pattern. And Constantine isn't shocked by the final form. And I truly doubt DC editorial decided to have the GEB's true form be revealed in a tie-in rather than in Dark Crisis's actual issues. I mean, maybe I'm giving DC too much credit...
But you're right: that could have certainly been a red herring. Maybe GEB's actual "true form" will be definitively shown in the finale.
Although if Lucifer doesn't end up representing GEB at all, it brings back concerns I've had for months: that GEB might be depicted as some ridiculous Voltron amalgam. ie. Darkseid and TEH will be literal arms that are snapped onto its body(with lesser characters like Extant/Prime/Gog/Doomsday/etc. acting as the fingers), Pariah could be the head, Mandrakk could be the torso, and maybe Nekron and UpsideDown Man could be the legs... Lol. The prospect of "true form" GEB being portrayed as some bastardized cosmic mecha, whose body is a composite version of every major villain in DC history, would be laughably idiotic(though obviously still in the realm of possibility, unfortunately.) Personally, I'd gladly take the Lucifer reveal over that kind of stupid shit any day of the week.
...Or maybe GEB will be someone/thing else entirely. Who knows? That was just my initial reading of the tie-in. /shrug
Originally posted by SmurphOr this. 👆
Galan can shove it.
Originally posted by Galan007
that GEB might be depicted as some ridiculous Voltron amalgam. ie. Darkseid and TEH will be literal arms that are snapped onto its body(with lesser characters like Extant/Prime/Gog/Doomsday/etc. acting as the fingers), Pariah could be the head, Mandrakk could be the torso, and maybe Nekron and UpsideDown Man could be the legs... Lol. The prospect of "true form" GEB being portrayed as some bastardized cosmic mecha, whose body is a composite version of every major villain in DC history, would be laughably idiotic(though obviously still in the realm of possibility, unfortunately.)
Part of me actually wants to see this
I mean, it is idiotic, but it will be hilarious if the comics depict GEB in such way
Ever have that moment where you're a fan of something, look for a forum that shares the fandom, and find them talking about all these niche things and kind of feel dumb?
Like, I consider myself a Transformers fan, but on the TF2005 board they're talking about Japanese VA's and GaoGaigar. Heck, I haven't even watched Transformers Victory or any of the Japanese shit.