Comic Book Questions & Discussion

We talking about Rey?

Luke definitely advanced way too fast considering spending most of his life on a backwards farm far away from any conflicts, but people who compare him to Rey miss a critical difference.

Luke was also a screwup. He made lots of bad choices, and made things worse.

Which is completely normal and expected of him, it's called growth. No flaws, no growth. All the modern stories kind of skip out on the flaws part, and go right to the stupidly unreasonable strengths.

They call it a "Mary Sue", but whether that fits or not is less relevant then asking "So the character growed how, exactly?"

"grew"

In like 4 years Luke went from holding a lightsaber for the very first time, to being on par with Vader himself. Even if we assume Luke's potential = Vader's potential, it still took Vader decades to get that powerful. Luke, on the other hand, reached those heights in a fraction of the time, and with FAR less proper instruction. So yeah, his exponential growth between ANH and RotJ has really never made much sense.

The "answer" is probably a bit more metaphysical, and in-line with what Snoke said in TLJ: "Darkness rises, and light to meet it. I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger, his equal in the light would rise." IOW, the Force will naturally course-correct and equalize itself when there is a dramatic imbalance -- and the answer to Vader was Luke. Same thing with Kylo and Rey.

...Kind of a cop-out explanation, but it's the best way to reconcile how Luke could skyrocket to Vader-tier with just a few years of [incomplete] training under his belt. /shrug

Originally posted by Smurph
"grew"

He had a pretty solid post.....but made that error.

Heh, that makes it an in-universe sort of inverse ninja law.

The more jedi that are around, the less that any single one needs to quickly become ROTJ Luke level.

It wasn't even just holding a lightsaber for the very first time - Jedi were these myths lol. It's like one day discovering magic was real, lol.

But, science fiction, high midichlorian count blah blah.

Darth Maul the most powerful Sith confirmed.

Official Star Wars power levels before the franchise went down the shitter.

- Star Wars: Graphics

lol what? why did star wars decide to go the power level route with midichlorians?

I think I saw this scan and following discussion when I browsing some threads in Star Wars forums. The thread probably is around 3-4 years ago

Edit:

Found it, it actually is from a thread that is 5 years ago. Damn, time flies

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=648940&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
Images: https://imgur.com/a/wYdIl

It's this book: https://www.bookdepository.com/Star-Wars-Graphics-Lucasfilm-Ltd/9781405282864?redirected=true&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Base2&utm_source=AU&utm_content=Star-Wars-Graphics&selectCurrency=AUD&w=AF45AU96D24NBFA80CZ3A7ZB&pdg=kwd-104399592819:cmp-680104063:adg-37898644947:crv-151944074570😛id-9781405282864:dev-c&gclid=CjwKCAiApo3SBRA4EiwAty8i-n3QBnL7XpGKp9r3S5k3z5XpsIiiUqNSnv9Z0HsJwkL6inSsHfB7VRoCbaQQAvD_BwE

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^ Yeah, I believe Graphics was published in 2016, but it's non-canon. Aside from the book including a bunch of Legends-only events, the official Story Group was completely unaware of its existence at first(and as such obviously never approved it.) Where actual canon is concerned, the only confirmed midichlorian count that has ever been listed was Anakin's "20,000+" figure, with every other Jedi/Sith in the mythos logically falling somewhere below that.

Anyway, while midichlorian counts are important when it comes to one's Force power/potential(to a point), they're certainly not the only determining factor -- training, knowledge, mindset, and overall expertise also play a HUGE factor:
https://ibb.co/jbJN868
Luke: "Think of yourself as a door. The wider you open, the more easily the Force flows through you. Some people just start out with their door a bit more open, but any door can open wide."

IOW, a high midichlorian count might make it easier for a Jedi to progress(because they have a stronger natural affinity to the Force), but that doesn't necessarily mean a Jedi with a lower count is incapable of reaching the same heights -- they just have to work harder at it.

*Anakin would be the only real exception, because it was reiterated that if he had actually reached his full potential, he would have been entity/deity-level(as showcased during the Mortis arc.) No one else can really touch that.

I'm sure the Skywalker twins weren't low in their count, either.

It just feels like a wasted opportunity with Leia....

"So we have Luke, right? Now let's take his twin, who's actually been in battle and fought for the Rebels when Luke was still playing with his toys on some backwater shit hole, actually give her training that isn't just jumping about with an arthritic mouldy space frog on a literal swamp, decent equipment - those remote drones, that stupid bucket helmets the works - she'll be the baddest Jedi of all time!"

She made Luke go back to the light side and helped him to beat reborn Palps in Dark Empire, so not really wasted.

Unless we're talking about Rian "Ruin" Johnson, who thought making her fly through space would somehow be much cooler than the above example from Legends.

Originally posted by Galan007

https://ibb.co/jbJN868

Your posts have become so predictable, it hurts.

But yes, I absolutely agree. There is more to the Force users than their Midichlorian count, always believed that and new canon has provided us with that nice on-panel proof.

Even in the superhero books, powers/physical attributes/gear can't always make up for the lack of skills and experience.

The opposite of that would be DBZ, where in the vast majority of cases, PL is everything.

Originally posted by Astner
Official Star Wars power levels before the franchise went down the shitter.

- Star Wars: Graphics

i heard legend is better to read than current star wars is it true?

Legends have far more material, so it is an unfair comparison.

But they're also infamous for their confusing canon-tiers hierarchy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm sure the Skywalker twins weren't low in their count, either.

It just feels like a wasted opportunity with Leia....

"So we have Luke, right? Now let's take his twin, who's actually been in battle and fought for the Rebels when Luke was still playing with his toys on some backwater shit hole, actually give her training that isn't just jumping about with an arthritic mouldy space frog on a literal swamp, decent equipment - those remote drones, that stupid bucket helmets the works - she'll be the baddest Jedi of all time!"

Leia was very much wasted in canon. She literally went through 6 months of Jedi training from a n00b Luke, then just... Quit. At least Legends fleshed her out a lot more. /shrug

Originally posted by MrMind
i heard legend is better to read than current star wars is it true?

Aside from that, the "canon hierarchy" in Legends was an absolute joke. Random blurbs from the back of a toy box, statements from novels, depictions in comics, commentary from the director or stunt coordinators, feats from video games, etc... They were all "canon", but some of them were *more* canon than others, so it was often hard to figure out wtf to believe.

Say what you will about new canon, but I appreciate how they've consolidated things on that front. ALL officially licensed/approved content is canon, and the most recent information takes precedence. Simple. Easy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Legends have far more material, so it is an unfair comparison.

But they're also infamous for their confusing canon-tiers hierarchy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh the entire Skywalker bloodline would've all had a ridiculous midi-count. I imagine they were each very close to Anakin's "20,000+", tbh... And I doubt the Palpatine bloodline was far behind him either.

Leia was very much wasted in canon. She literally went through 6 months of Jedi training from a n00b Luke, then just... Quit. At least Legends fleshed her out a lot more. /shrug

There is some excellent material in new canon(on the comic/novel side), but there's quite a bit of bad as well. Same thing with Legends, tbh. Thing is, new canon only started like 8 years ago, while Legends had been around for decades before that -- so there are a LOT more characters/stories to pull from, across every era.

Aside from that, the "canon hierarchy" in Legends was an absolute joke. Random blurbs from the back of a toy box, statements from novels, depictions in comics, commentary from the director or stunt coordinators, feats from video games, etc... They were all "canon", but some of them were *more* canon than others, so it was often hard to figure out wtf to believe.

Say what you will about new canon, but I appreciate how they've consolidated things on that front. ALL officially licensed/approved content is canon, and the most recent information takes precedence. Simple. Easy.

Gawds, imagine if Phildo and I started using toy box blurbs in our BZ.....

Originally posted by Galan007

Luke: "Think of yourself as a door. The wider you open, the more easily the Force flows through you. Some people just start out with their door a bit more open, but any door can open wide."

Fifty shades of skywalker