Originally posted by ODG
The Molecule Man is a bomb that destroys a universe. Conglomerated together as the Beyonders intended, he would have destroyed the entire Marvel Multiverse. Conglomerated together, he ended up being the source of power by which the Eighth Cosmos (or the latest Marvel Multiverse) was reborn on-panel with Franklin and Reed Richards' guidance.The scope of power that a conglomerated Molecule Man operates can systematically destroy or restore the entire Marvel Multiverse. Read Secret Wars and Fantastic Four vol. 6 for details.
Come on bro. You cant condescendingly tell me to go read Secret Wars when your replies are suggesting thats a course of action you'd stand to benefit from yourself.
The power that Molecule Man possessed at the end of Time Runs Out, is the power that was drip fed to Doom to make him God Emperor Doom and is the same power used to restore the multiverse as the 8th Cosmos....the power of the Beyonders. Not Molecule Mans inherent power.
He wasnt designed to manipulate energies to destroy a universe, let alone create one, he was a cosmic suicide bomber lol.
After becoming a repository for the Beyonders power, these energies were used to shape the new multiverse, based on the structure that Franklin outlined.
Originally posted by ODG
is Celestial-level given Galactus can defeat them individually, even collectively (if he's well-fed). Galactus is the Herald of Adult Franklin Richards as Silver Surfer is the Herald of Galactus. Adult Franklin Richards is an order of power above Galactus.
A well fed Galactus is capable of taking on the average Celestial or 2 with 3 or more being too much for him:
Franklins comparative performance was not demonstrative of being "an order of power" with him stated to be incapable of taking on 3 Celestials alone by Nathaniel Richards who stated he had watched hundreds of iterations of this play out:
Franklin therefore demonstrated similar prowess against the Celestials as a well fed Galactus and needed to combine power with Galactus in order to defeat the Celestials, re-energising the wounded, unconscious Galactus and acting through him, to achieve what he demonstrably could not alone. This was not the serve that you presented.
Originally posted by ODG
I mean, Al Ewing revealed that TOBA needed to eliminate Franklin Richards because he was the "anointed prince" to shepherd in the Ninth Cosmos as Hickman foreshowed in Fantastic Four. Given how much you go on to selectively rely on Al Ewing's symbolic motifs... this lack of knowledge of Al Ewing's on-panel revelations strikes me as a stark discrepancy in your own logic.
Lets not get it twisted. Im well acquainted with Ewings work, as ever my interpretation is more grounded and so this Franklin overlord that youre hyped over, aint what I picked up at all.
Ewings glimpse of the potential future only takes away from your Franklin Overlord narrative. He reiterated that the fulfilment of Franklins potential, is not to be some universal creator, or some other being of unprecedented power and importance. It was merely to become Galactus' replacement:
A duty Ewing said Mr Immortal was lined up for as well. Yikes! Lol
Heres Franklin Overlord again being presented not as some superior to Galactus, but instead at the peak of his potential being his replacement:
Bruh, its not giving "an order of power" above a damn thing lol.
Originally posted by ODG
I don't need to deconstruct the wild assumptions and leaps of logic you make here. You consistently rely on comics that are almost completely unconnected to each other through either context or disconnected through years between publication. You exacerbate that one step further by selectively tying/connecting concepts purely through coincidences of purple prose. This represents the thinnest of strands to rely on when it comes to supporting your argument.You have an argument. True. You don't have a good argument. I've said the same of somebody arguing that some decades-old pre-Crisis Superboy scans were relevant, much less determinative, of how current Superman's intellect functions. This is no different.
If you had a better argument, you'd have posed it. As it stands, you don't. That's not my fault since it's not my argument but your's. And the burden of proof doesn't fall on me to disprove the tenuously flimsy strands that connect your theories.
This is a whole load of head rolling, finger snapping bitchiness and condescension.
I said what i said and posted corroborating scans in support of what i said. If you disagree that's absolutely fine, get specific and lets have an adult discourse and help each other learn.
Originally posted by ODG
My patience thins.
I cant lie bro. I had to take a very deep breath before replying to this whole post, but with this particular comment specifically. 😆
Just what is your problem? Its literally been about 15 yrs since we had a debate. Are you seriously holding a grudge since then?
Youve been prodding and prodding this week with condescending, passive aggressive and even downright rude replies and I have not taken the bait thus far.
If i have upset you in the past when we were kids/young adults near 15yrs ago then i apologise.
But you gotta stop this. Youre gonna end up derailing this discussion. Theres only so long i can overlook this rudeness and pettiness. Its so unnecessary.
If you wanna DM what your issue is and talk it out then lets do so. I have no intention of adding you to the list of other lil shits i have war of words with every time i log on.
Im just here to join the discourse and engage with, learn from and share with others in this thread. Your current attitude runs the risk of not just impacting me, but also ruining the thread for others involved, you cant be selfish like that. Lets talk about it privately, then drop it. Or just drop it and lets proceed to talk comics with respect.
I never initiate. I reciprocate. Ive come here with good vibes. Please try and do the same. 😬
