Originally posted by MrMindWatched 15 mins of the new Superman cartoon, wasn't for me.
anybody seen the new adult swim cartoon my adventures with superman?
The new Venture Bros. movie is fun enough though. Recommend that if you like the show.
Wolverine simply kicked Spider-Man's ass.
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Originally posted by GalacticStormIf Marvel were currently going through the transition of the Seventh to the Eighth Cosmos, I'd give him the same respect. But I mean, you don't because you realized long ago that Galen heralded the Eighth Cosmos and the Phoenixforce didn't do sh1t.
The crux of the matter is the role in question is nothing more than the role Galactus currently holds, so calm your panties down drama queen
Adult Franklin Richards has far more agency over heralding the next Marvel Multiverse. He isn't a mere mortal scientist like Galen was. And he's responsible for remembering the entire Eighth Cosmos while bringing about the Ninth Cosmos.
You can think otherwise (in contravention of the comics you clearly didn't read until I pointed them out), but that places him up in my personal hierarchy. It's not all about battleboards.
But, ok. Your hierarchy is different. So why does the White Phoenix rise above the IG or HOM Wanda, etc.? White Phoenix Hope exhausted herself restoring mutants on the planet Earth during AvX and that was with the help of Wanda Maximoff.
Elaborate for us, oh sage of the Phoenixforce.
Alright, I'll try and add Vertigo into it. I'm just saying... if you haven't read the last two volumes of Lucifer, please read them before you attack my list. Or don't, whatever. If you read them, I think you'll understand why the Presence and his angels have kinda been degraded in the whole scheme of things.
1) Great Darkness, a.k.a. Great Evil Beast, Night, Pralaya
2) The Presence, a.k.a. the Source, the Voice, the Overvoid
3) Time/Night
4) The Endless, a.k.a. Death + Destiny + Dream + Destruction + Desire + Despair + Delirium
5) The Life Equation/Miracle Machine
6) Anti-Life Equation
7) The Empty Hand
8) The Cosmic Raptor
9) The Hands/Perpetua/Ultra-Monitor
10) Mxy/Batmite
11) Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman
12) Dr. Manhattan/Darkest Knight, a.k.a Batman Who Laughs (final form)
13) Anti-Monitor, a.k.a. Mobius/World Forger a.k.a. Alpheus/Monitor a.k.a Mar Novu
14) Barbatos
15) Hecate/Upside Down Man
16) Cosmic Armor Superman
17) Mandrakk
18) Basanos/Elaine Belloc
19) Lucifer/Michael
20) The Entity, a.k.a. White Light of Creation/Nekron/Umbrax
21) conglomerated Power of the Guardians, a.k.a. Ion
22) Worlogog
23) Parallax, Predator, Ophidion, Butcher, Adara, Proselyte
24) Godwave
25) Speedforce
Eonymous godstomp.From their perspective, the entire DC continuum(all Spheres, inc. the Overvoid/Source and subsequently Dark Multiverse) is just a small, flat, 2-D surface/map... And they 'accidentally' created the Young Animal-verse, along with all of the mind-numbing metafictional stories/histories/concepts within(like Retconn Corps, The Disappointment, Ahl, Final Heaven, etc.), just by spilling a bit of coffee on the Multiverse Map(which, again, from their vantage point, literally represents the sum total of DC -- it's how they view all of creation beneath them):
https://ibb.co/FHWYpKL*Confirmed by Steve Orlando:
https://vimeo.com/447641086
Eonymous view the whole of the DC Creation (and probably the entire greater Omniverse) as a flat space they can manipulate just by doing something as Lilliputian as spilling coffee on it. Spilled coffee created a Multiverse within DC and various metatextual, Multiversal reality warping cosmic entities.The Hand created infinite multiverses in DC with a snap of their fingers, but I just don’t think they have a grip on reality as all-encompassing as The Eonymous. I”d say they stomp.
They deserve to be in top 10
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Also, Mordru >>> Hecate, IMO
Originally posted by ODG
Bruh, did you read the Witching Hour storyline?
Originally posted by Senor CageOk...
Yeah, why?
... so why would you place Mordu, a Lord of Chaos, above the literal personification of magic from the conception of the universe? I mean... do you place Mordru above the Upside Down Man???
Originally posted by ODG
Ok...... so why would you place Mordu, a Lord of Chaos, above the literal personification of magic from the conception of the universe? I mean... do you place Mordru above the Upside Down Man???
Didn't Mordru torture Hecate? I got the impression that Mordru was beyond even magic.
Originally posted by Senor CageWas that a storyline after Witching Hour? Because even if that were true, Witching Hour re-contextualized the idea of magic in DC.
Didn't Mordru torture Hecate? I got the impression that Mordru was beyond even magic.
Either way, do you place Mordru over Upside Down Man?
Originally posted by ODG
If Marvel were currently going through the transition of the Seventh to the Eighth Cosmos, I'd give him the same respect. But I mean, you don't because you realized long ago that Galen heralded the Eighth Cosmos and the Phoenixforce didn't do sh1t.
You weird guy. Your problem is instead of taking tings at face value and debating and considering presented points objectively, youre out here trying to second guess my intentions leading you to be dismissive and passive aggressive regardless of whether whats presented is pertinent and has merit.
You'll never know if i have ulterior motives, but what you can establish is whether what points i raise are well evidenced regardless of whether you agree or disagree. So sit your ass down Jessica Fletcher. 😆
Back on topic, your point is nonsensical. So youre saying you'd give Galactus the same amp and adulation if the transition was a future scheduled event but not when hes actually in possession of the role?!! 😱 Is what what youre actually saying?!! Make it make sense! 😆
As for Phoenix not doing shit, both Galan, Franklin Richards and Eternity himself are made up of Phoenix Force and are sustained by Phoenix Force. So its always doing shit. The sum and substance of multiversal life. Regardless of who's in the driving seat, when it comes to triggering a creation event, its always gonna be facilitated by your favourite cosmic turkey. Cry and then deal 🙂
Originally posted by ODG
Adult Franklin Richards has far more agency over heralding the next Marvel Multiverse. He isn't a mere mortal scientist like Galen was. And he's responsible for remembering the entire Eighth Cosmos while bringing about the Ninth Cosmos.
More agency how? Thats your supposition. What he was previously is irrelevant if the fulfilment of his potential is the exact same endpoint as Galan......becoming a Galactus.
The Watchers chronicle all of history. Should they be amped as well? How are you quantifying any of this? Through which Adult Franklin feats? 😕
Beyond him taking on Galactus' position in a future reality nothing else is confirmed about him. Certainly not your assertions of some higher standing. Thats something you could only attempt to justify through hypocritically conflating different versions of Franklin. So save your Super Galactus talk.
Your methodology for allocating places within your hierarchy is inconsistent and illogical. Address this. 👆
Originally posted by ODG
You can think otherwise (in contravention of the comics you clearly didn't read until I pointed them out), but that places him up in my personal hierarchy. It's not all about battleboards.
I was the one who referenced the differences in Waid's and Ewing's Franklins' who you were previously conflating. So lets not go there. 🙂
Its not all about battle boards when someone shines the spotlight on your fallacies and then it conveniently becomes all about your unquantifiable interpretation about characters potential. 🙄
Originally posted by ODG
But, ok. Your hierarchy is different. So why does the White Phoenix rise above the IG or HOM Wanda, etc.? White Phoenix Hope exhausted herself restoring mutants on the planet Earth during AvX and that was with the help of Wanda Maximoff.Elaborate for us, oh sage of the Phoenixforce.
Address or acknowledge your fallacies 1st and then i'll happily circle back to this. I will not allow you to deflect and move attention away from the issues brought to the table.
So back up your stance or acknowledge its flaws and then we can get back to this juicy stuff 😱
