Originally posted by Smurph
So... you accept that their "mental connections to the construction of the worlds" helped them escape the universes but you refuse to believe that the same "mental connections to the construction of the worlds" had anything to do with the worlds becoming deconstructed?
I'm a bit curious about Abhi's interpretation, because if Superman could mentally hijack any universe then why did he lose his Liminal Form upon entering the real universe?
Notice that Superman is in his Liminal Form as the Flash and Green Lantern takes them out of the dream-worlds.
- Dark Crisis #6
But when he next appears, and saves Jon, he's back to his regular form.
- Dark Crisis #6
Originally posted by Astner
I'm a bit curious about Abhi's interpretation, because if Superman could mentally hijack any universe then why did he lose his Liminal Form upon entering the real universe?Notice that Superman is in his Liminal Form as the Flash and Green Lantern takes them out of the dream-worlds.
- Dark Crisis #6
But when he next appears, and saves Jon, he's back to his regular form.
- Dark Crisis #6
Originally posted by abhilegend
The first scan is on Pariah's world which wasn't in the dream world.
- Dark Crisis #6
Originally posted by abhilegend
No explanation is given why Superman reappeared in his normal costume.
I mean there would have to be some explanation for it. Superman could've used this form in the upcoming battle against the minion of the Great Darkness, and it's not like he ever did anything to seemingly exhaust said powers.
Originally posted by Astner
It was on one of the worlds Pariah created alongside the dream-worlds, whether it was specifically a dream-world or isn't really made clear. But they were part of the same group of universes and separate from the 52 normal universes.- Dark Crisis #6
Pariah's base was in the original multiverse which was destroyed in COIE.
Justice League 75 (2018)
Nothing indicates it was anything unusual or dream world.
That's true. But given that it's a form Superman accessed by channeling the energies of his dream-world as a liminal dreamer it makes sense that it couldn't exist outside of the worlds Pariah created.
Already proven false.
I mean there would have to be some explanation for it. Superman could've used this form in the upcoming battle against the minion of the Great Darkness, and it's not like he ever did anything to seemingly exhaust said powers.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I read the claw bending scene as if mysterium had some undefined effect on the adamantium claws and not that it was harder. Someone else posted a scene where it's durability was more akin to secondary adamantium.
😂And now, time to break up with Stilt:
Mysterium is harder than adamantium. And for Carver, seems like the Sentinel buster is even more powerful than the Celestial buster lol:
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https://i.postimg.cc/QHw17GXc/14-8.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/RqC75LsJ/21-13.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/14Wp9V2C/22-4.jpgAlso, it looks like he just casually crushed that adamantium skull...truly, a high herald!
Iron Man's description of his Mark 72 armor is that it was the "most advanced armor I've ever undertaken with the fewest resources". It's also just a personal base flight suit form for the Sentinel Buster armor. On the other hand, the Celestial Hulkbuster armor was derived from the corpse of a Celestial. Quite a bit of starter resources, if you ask me.
Also, I didn't get the impression that the head of the Wolverine cyborg was adamantium either. Then again, given the way the adamantium claws were bent, it is possible that the mysterium in Iron Man's Mark 72 allows him to do that. It's macguffin plot device metal without which, that's an insane strength feat.
Originally posted by ODG
I read the claw bending scene as if mysterium had some undefined effect on the adamantium claws and not that it was harder. Someone else posted a scene where it's durability was more akin to secondary adamantium.Iron Man's description of his Mark 72 armor is that it was the "most advanced armor I've ever undertaken with the fewest resources". It's also just a personal base flight suit form for the Sentinel Buster armor. On the other hand, the Celestial Hulkbuster armor was derived from the corpse of a Celestial. Quite a bit of starter resources, if you ask me.
Also, I didn't get the impression that the head of the Wolverine cyborg was adamantium either. Then again, given the way the adamantium claws were bent, it is possible that the mysterium in Iron Man's Mark 72 allows him to do that. It's macguffin plot device metal without which, that's an insane strength feat.
Actually, I was referring to his statement that the Sentinel buster was his most powerful creation - wasn't referring to the Mark 72.
As for some mysterious undefined interaction, we would have seen it's warpy effect when Kingpin's cane was in play.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Oh... my bad. Granted, we haven't seen what the Sentinel Buster can do yet. But I imagine that it will fall be far below what the Celestial Hulkbuster was capable of. And I'll propose the Marvel No-Prize explanation will be... Stark designed/built the Sentinel Buster from scratch as opposed to the Celestial Hulkbuster which was molded from a dead Celestial.
Actually, I was referring to his statement that the Sentinel buster was his most powerful creation - wasn't referring to the Mark 72.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Stark did imply that he could use Fisk's cane to pierce the Wolverine cyborg though, so... it sounds like warpy effect was a consideration.
As for some mysterious undefined interaction, we would have seen it's warpy effect when Kingpin's cane was in play.
Originally posted by ODG
Oh... my bad. Granted, we haven't seen what the Sentinel Buster can do yet. But I imagine that it will fall be far below what the Celestial Hulkbuster was capable of. And I'll propose the Marvel No-Prize explanation will be... Stark designed/built the Sentinel Buster from scratch as opposed to the Celestial Hulkbuster which was molded from a dead Celestial. Stark did imply that he could use Fisk's cane to pierce the Wolverine cyborg though, so... it sounds like warpy effect was a consideration.
Yeah but what I meant was when the claws came near the cane, nothing happened. The cane being able to stab through makes sense if it's harder, though.
Alternatively, Logan's clones have been running around with secondary adamantium this entire time. Assuming we want to square this particular circle rather than 'the writers didn't care and just pulled it out the air because it's cool'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but what I meant was when the claws came near the cane, nothing happened. The cane being able to stab through makes sense if it's harder, though.Alternatively, Logan's clones have been running around with secondary adamantium this entire time. Assuming we want to square this particular circle rather than 'the writers didn't care and just pulled it out the air because it's cool'.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85Chalk it up to adamantium claws have nothing to fear from a mysterium cane but if they want to pierce a mysterium chassis like Stark's Mark 72 armor, they'll bend.
Yeah but what I meant was when the claws came near the cane, nothing happened. The cane being able to stab through makes sense if it's harder, though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Sniff, sniff... that there smells like Wolverithmetics. If X-23, Cap's shield, Wolverine, and all his resurrected bodies be revealed to be secondary adamantium, you might have a point. But not a single comic has suggested such a fault. The only "fault" being peddled right now is that Wolverine's skeleton joints does not operate exactly as KMC enthusiasts have wished for years.
Alternatively, Logan's clones have been running around with secondary adamantium this entire time. Assuming we want to square this particular circle rather than 'the writers didn't care and just pulled it out the air because it's cool'.
What's more likely? Wolverithmetics are wrong? Or the source comics are wrong?
That's a rhetorical question. Because it doesn't matter. The comics are what the comics are. Nothing more to it.
Originally posted by ODG
Chalk it up to adamantium claws have nothing to fear from a mysterium cane but if they want to pierce a mysterium chassis like Stark's Mark 72 armor, they'll bend. Sniff, sniff... that there smells like Wolverithmetics. If X-23, Cap's shield, Wolverine, and all his resurrected bodies be revealed to be secondary adamantium, you might have a point. But not a single comic has suggested such a fault. The only "fault" being peddled right now is that Wolverine's skeleton joints does not operate exactly as KMC enthusiasts have wished for years.What's more likely? Wolverithmetics are wrong? Or the source comics are wrong?
That's a rhetorical question. Because it doesn't matter. The comics are what the comics are. Nothing more to it.
That's what I meant - in fact, I'm trying to say that Mysterium having a warping effect on adamantium is pretty Wolverithmetics lol, as it has never been even alluded to in previous comics.
As the comics say, it stops adamantium. Not a single comic has ever shown it to warp, or, as you say, have an undefined effect on adamantium.
The whole joint thing, I know what you're trying to imply - that my usage of secondary adamantium as a circle squaring is part of it - but I couldn't care less about that, lol.
I'm saying Mysterium, a macguffin metal, is harder than adamantium, another macguffin metal. Writers just pull that out when they feel like it.
^ The macguffin metal, mysterium, having undefined qualities shouldn't lead you away from possibility. It should lead you towards it. And it's already been measured as being less durable than adamantium. It's on par with secondary adamantium. Not sure how you can possibly ignore that on-panel fact.
And no primary adamantium has ever been distorted that way. Neither that Wolverine android nor Iron Man have that sort of strength to bend primary adamantium. Imagine a Wolverine with robotically enhanced strength and him stabbing at Cap's shield held by Iron Man. His claws wouldn't bend like that. No, Wolverine would just get pushed back. The claws wouldn't bend like that. Not unless you had an irresistible force against an immovable object ala Hulk or Superman. Neither of which the Wolverine android nor the Iron Man mark 72 armor can boast of being compared to.
Wolverithmetics is ignoring far easier, far more logical and far more obvious explanations afoot and instead reaching for absurd explanations to protect Wolverine's character. This notion that every Krakoan resurrected Wolverine has been reincarnated with inferior metal instead of mysterium just reacting weirdly with it is just such a notion.
Deal with it. Or don't.
