Originally posted by carver9Are you gonna go to his convocation?
Aren't you following me on Instagram? You should know the answer. He's graduating college next year FYI and I'll be posted that as well on my insta.
Just a heads up that they might hand him his diploma when he crosses the stage.
I feel the need to warn you before you blitz all those poor graduates.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... he's posting Pre Crisis scans to justify current Superman. That's proof Superman doesn't do well against Nukes.Superman has literally almost died twice by a Nuke AFTER the pre crisis scan. AFTER!!!
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
2) Doesn't Byrne Era Superman also tank a nuclear that sends him through time unharmed?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
https://ibb.co/Ht3wQgP
https://ibb.co/tMsyR8g
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998That's what was supposed to happen, sure. "Everything matters" should have represented a call to action for all of DC's writers that they could do anything. And it was a nice thought.
Note: I basically reposted the post I made in this thread. So some words may seem off
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=680383&pagenumber=10I can't quote that post because the thread was closed. Although I think it's common knowledge on this forum that all eras of DC characters are canon at this point, because it got mentioned a lot by other posters
But even the most casual of DC fans reading current runs know this didn't end up happening. It ended up being more like an ironic slogan... like Burger King's "Have it your way... which, not really, cuz the franchise employees'll will tell you to phuck off"
"Everything matters... but DC editorial still decides how to approach comics canon based on misguided WB film marketing research"
Look at Black Adam. Look at the two separate versions of Constantine running around concurrently. Indeed, the only on-panel manifestation of "everything matters" was arguably the appearance of conglomerated True Form Darkseid. Which eventually went nowhere.
But I shouldn't have to convince you either. Superman-1 never fought in World War II. So posting scans from his adventures published/set in the 1940s? Kinda pointless, even in the "everything matters" era of DC comics you're enamored with. You want to use some super conglomeration of Superman from every era of DC comics in a vs. thread? Go ahead and make that thread.
Let's just not pretend that current Superman is going to tow a chain of planets or sneeze away a galaxy because "everything matters."
Originally posted by ODG
That's what was supposed to happen, sure. "Everything matters" should have represented a call to action for all of DC's writers that they could do anything. And it was a nice thought.But even the most casual of DC fans reading current runs know this didn't end up happening. It ended up being more like an ironic slogan... like Burger King's "Have it your way... which, not really, cuz the franchise employees'll will tell you to phuck off"
"Everything matters... but DC editorial still decides how to approach comics canon based on misguided WB film marketing research"
Look at Black Adam. Look at the two separate versions of Constantine running around concurrently. Indeed, the only on-panel manifestation of "everything matters" was arguably the appearance of conglomerated True Form Darkseid. Which eventually went nowhere.
But I shouldn't have to convince you either. Superman-1 never fought in World War II. So posting scans from his adventures published/set in the 1940s? Kinda pointless, even in the "everything matters" era of DC comics you're enamored with. You want to use some super conglomeration of Superman from every era of DC comics in a vs. thread? Go ahead and make that thread.
Let's just not pretend that current Superman is going to tow a chain of planets or sneeze away a galaxy because "everything matters."
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah.Death Metal made clear it was all one timeline now:
Then the latest Superman Red/Blue comic showcased this, as Superman remembers (and the editor, Jamie Rich, directly confirms it) doing something in World's Finest 192-193, which was released in 1970 (i.e. pre Crisis):
Edit:
Also, it quite moot point that to ask a comics character's adventures on a specifical period, no?
Especially as explained even in pre-crisis comics, that the time period is moving along with the character's period.
https://ibb.co/vmzhmjW
I.E, Superman/boy would forever be 14 years old/29 years old, so the time era they're acting is constantly changing. But it doesn't mean the stories set before 1970-85 are suddenly non-canon to Earth-1 Superman
Originally posted by carver9
Seems like more is at play in that scene you posted. The scan even mention the bomb being able to kill him.
And for what is worth, the first scan also notes there is the possibility that Superman doesn't die, but merely get transported to another time period
And more important, the Linear Man specifically notes it takes Superman's invulerability to endure these experiences(the ordeal Superman experienced in Time And Time Again arc. Superman endured nuclear bomb, sun-eater implosion which sends him through hundreds of lightyears, And at the finale, Superman also experienced the Moon exploded so he can be sent to his proper time period)
Originally posted by abhilegend
"Only a person as invulnerable as you could have survived those experiences".
Originally posted by ODG
But I shouldn't have to convince you either. Superman-1 never fought in World War II. So posting scans from his adventures published/set in the 1940s?
The first scene is Superman and Batman both are doing a contest, Batman buys a ship and an atom bomb to challenge Superman's intelligence
The second scene is Superman is sent back to the past. And this Superman is Byrne Era Superman/Post-Crisis Superman, the Superman you're asking
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Superman's history starts with him in the 1940s. If all those published histories are canon now, then him and Lois are part of America's greatest generation.
Wait, After I reread this paragraph. Did you mistake the scenes I posted here?The first scene is Superman and Batman both are doing a contest, Batman buys a ship and an atom bomb to challenge Superman's intelligence
The second scene is Superman is sent back to the past. And this Superman is Byrne Era Superman/Post-Crisis Superman, the Superman you're asking
But that isn't the case. Even you ironically posted scans where Superman was saving Holocaust victims not because he was always there at the time like in the 1940s adventures but because he was sent back to that era via time-travel.
You can try and muddy the waters here with cherrypicked scans but little else need be said.
Originally posted by ODG
Superman's history starts with him in the 1940s. If all those published histories are canon now, then him and Lois are part of America's greatest generation.But that isn't the case. Even you ironically posted scans where Superman was saving Holocaust victims not because he was always there at the time like in the 1940s adventures but because he was sent back to that era via time-travel.
You can try and muddy the waters here with cherrypicked scans but little else need be said.
As for the timeline part, why not let the guy(Scott Snyder) who made "everything happened" explain to you?
Timestamped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQAGmBZPhdQ&t=4648s
"Both happned, both can be referenced"
Or you know, it just like when they make Superboy and Superman eternally at 14 years old/29 years old while the timeline is moving forward, back in Pre-Crisis?
https://ibb.co/vmzhmjW
Edit:
Or let an editor explain to you. Comic characters don't do timeline, which should be very obvious even back in "silly" pre-crisis comics
https://ibb.co/mBMcpqh
^ Current Superman and Lois are not part of America's greatest generation because of vague, unfulfilled slogans like "one timeline where everything matters".
You act like current Superman's life on Earth involves a single conglomerated timeline that would necessarily involve his career emerging in 1940s America and dealing with World War II.
That notion is farcical. You'd have to ignore the very follow-up to Death Metal itself which is Infinite Frontier #0. In it, the Quintessence reveal to ascended Wonder Woman that the DC multiverse was restored. Not "one timeline" but "countless universes" worth of timelines.
Once you're done ignoring the specific follow-up to Death Metal, you'd then have to argue against 40 years of published DC comics since Crisis on Infinite Earths where it is established that current Superman did not emerge in the 1940s.
And don't forget to resolve you arguing with yourself since you ironically dispelled that notion when you posted Superman fighting during World War II only because he was sent back to that time via time-travel!
What ought to be pointed out is that I'm not the one trying to ignore the consequences of Death Metal, much less 80 years of DC comics publication. I embrace it, together with all its famous retcons. You're the one trying to ignore it in favor of a throwaway slogans that are repudiated by the actual comics themselves.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Current Superman and Lois are not part of America's greatest generation because of vague, unfulfilled slogans like "one timeline where everything matters".You act like current Superman's life on Earth involves a single conglomerated timeline that would necessarily involve his career emerging in 1940s America and dealing with World War II.
That notion is farcical. You'd have to ignore the very follow-up to Death Metal itself which is Infinite Frontier #0. In it, the Quintessence reveal to ascended Wonder Woman that the DC multiverse was restored. Not "one timeline" but "countless universes" worth of timelines.
Once you're done ignoring the specific follow-up to Death Metal, you'd then have to argue against 40 years of published DC comics since Crisis on Infinite Earths.
And don't forget to resolve you arguing with yourself since you ironically dispelled that notion when you posted Superman fighting during World War II only because he was sent back to that time via time-travel!
What ought to be pointed out is that I'm not the one trying to ignore the consequences of Death Metal, much less 80 years of DC comics publication. I embrace it, together with all its famous retcons. You're the one trying to ignore it in favor of a throwaway slogans that are repudiated by the actual comics themselves.
2) Your interpretation also doesn't cement well, as the interview with Snyder shows.
Or like countless pre-crisis elements(some even are directly referred by editors) show in the comics
3) Back at the time, Death Metal doesn't happen. That's like arguing Superman's Superboy origin isn't canon, by using Byrne Era Superman never had a Superboy career(which later got retconned by Infinite Crisis)
Furthermore, if you want to get technically, adding a time-travel element in their histories doesn't necessarily mean their stories get retconned/erased.
For example, Green Arrow can be Golden Age GA because he was sent back into time
https://ibb.co/1LHWH4q
https://ibb.co/GQYgWq0
Originally posted by ODG
That doesn't mean current Superman emerged in the 1940s.
Also, I thought we're arguing whether or not pre-crisis Superman is the current Superman, no?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998I'm not arguing for anything. I'm arguing against your argument.
And what you brought up about time-travel also doesn't necessarily mean what you're arguing.
As GA shows, you can have a character gets brought back to history, but he also can be the Golden Age counterpartAlso, I thought we're arguing whether or not pre-crisis Superman is the current Superman, no?
You're trying to argue that all pre-Crisis is fair game for current Superman because of some throwaway tagline where DC is now "one timeline where everything matters". Despite all evidence to the contrary both before and after that dumb tagline happened.
So go ahead and embrace the stupidity. Did current Superman's career begin in the 1940s? It's like... the most basic consequence of the argument you're making. One you keep trying to flee but... either stand for something or don't.
Originally posted by ODG
I'm not arguing for anything. I'm arguing against your argument.You're trying to argue that all pre-Crisis is fair game because of some throwaway tagline where DC is now "one timeline where everything matters".
Despite all evidence to the contrary both before and after that dumb tagline happened.
I mean you've the writer who first brought up "one timeline where everything matters" tells you to suspend of disbelief
You recently have Superman knows pre-crisis Terra-Man.
You have Superman refers his pre-crisis story with an editor note
You've a direct reference to a Golden Age story in Black Adam comics
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Black Adam's issue directly refers a story from Golden Age comics
etcetc
Edit for your edit:
Originally posted by ODG
So go ahead and embrace the stupidity. Did current Superman's career begin in the 1940s? It's like... the most basic consequence of the argument you're making. One you keep trying to flee but... either stand for something or don't.
^ Running away from your own argument is a biting indictment of how insipid it was to begin with. As it stands, I am not as nearly invested in chasing you down for your own witless propaganda.
Let us know how you square "one timeline where everything matters" with the round peg of Superman emerging in the 1940s. Easy deconstruction is easy.