Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can we not just agree?

Not everything is canon (what ODG wants).

The best feats we want to use, however, are (what qwerty wants).

Sorted.

Truly, the wisdom of Solomon resides in me.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, so the mainstream Superman has every different era of adventures, agree? They're retconned away because multiple crises

And Doomsday Clock sets *before* Death Metal, no?

It's after Death Metal everything gets (re)retconed back

So the conclusion actually would become Superman has all the adventures of different eras(Doomsday Clock) and then they get restored(Death Metal), no?

In which case, shut up when you talk to me. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can we not just agree?

Not everything is canon

Originally posted by ODG
Glad to know you're no longer pretending Death Metal means anything in terms of canon.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
When did I say that? Are you hallucinating again?

Ok, so back to the point in hand....

How does Superman stand up to a nuke?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I actually has the proofs that support Death Metal undid the crises and it's one timeline

In which case, I do so declare, this conversation is at an end. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, so back to the point in hand....

How does Superman stand up to a nuke?

Aside from the scenes I posted above
Superman also tanked nuke when he was weakened by Kryptonite

https://imgur.com/a/FBaiB

Originally posted by ODG
Glad to know you will no longer peddle this sh1t.

In which case, I do so declare, this conversation is at an end. 👆

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
When did I say that? Are you hallucinating again?

Of course, if you want to get techinical, I did agree with DS term that the best feats we want to use throughout different eras are canon. So, it would mean that the low showings etc aren't canon.
Glad we can agree with that

^ Who cares what you say, or don't say, or run away from saying, or try to backdoor say after running away? Death Metal did not conglomerate DC's history into a single timeline. We literally see on-panel in Infinite Frontier #0 that an infinite multiverse of countless universes now exists.

You can slurp & salivate all over a single throwaway tagline ad scan from Death Metal but in the meantime, we're reading DC comics. They are what they are. But keep pretending "Death Metal undid the crises and it's one timeline."

shocklaugh

Originally posted by ODG
^ Who cares what you say, or don't say, or run away from saying, or try to backdoor say after running away? Death Metal did not conglomerate DC's history into a single timeline. We literally see on-panel in Infinite Frontier #0 that an infinite multiverse of countless universes now exists.

You can slurp & salivate all over a single throwaway tagline ad scan from Death Metal but in the meantime, we're reading DC comics. They are what they are. But keep pretending "Death Metal undid the crises and it's one timeline."

shocklaugh

Originally posted by Galan007
Was this posted?

And again, I don't know why countless universes disproves anything here?

If you want to push further. Then we also see multiple references to pre-crisis after Infinite Frontier like I've alreayd shown before

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
"*One* universe....all our history...all the stories.....becoming *one* history"
https://ibb.co/Gx1FDF9
Or here
*One timeline*

And again, I don't know why countless universes disproves anything here?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, so back to the point in hand....

How does Superman stand up to a nuke?

Originally posted by ODG
You don't know why on-panel proof of "countless universes" disproves your throwaway ad tagline of "one timeline"? God dayum. Dis be a case of sheer dumba$$ery if I do say so...

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Yeah, why existing different universes disproves one timeline?
I mean, there are many people(different universes/timelines) exist in the world, does that prove the things you did in your past(one timeline) suddenly aren't yours?

And if you want to go on panel. In Death Metal in actually states it becomes *one* history
https://ibb.co/Gx1FDF9

Following by Superman says he remembers it all
https://ibb.co/6BwLCzX

Originally posted by ODG
The genesis of this debacle was whether Superman ever withstood a nuclear bomb "unharmed". Then qwertyuiop1998 started serenading the thread with pre-Crisis feats and was butthurt when I dismissed them since everyone but qwertyuiop1998 was actually concerned with current Superman and not pre-Crisis Superman.

If you want to avoid confusion, maybe speicifc a version next time? like mods suggest
I mean it seems you're the one who is butthurt given how many insults you throw at me in this discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes, see the analogy I made before

And if you want to go on panel. In Death Metal in actually states it becomes *one* history
https://ibb.co/Gx1FDF9

Following by Superman says he remembers it all
https://ibb.co/6BwLCzX

Originally posted by ODG
Purple prose notwithstanding, we saw that in the immediate follow-up to Death Metal in Infintie Frontier #0 that there isn't just "one timeline" but "countless universes" worth of timelines:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Infinite_Frontier01.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

And again, I don't know why countless universes disproves anything here?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
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Yeah, why existing different universes disproves one timeline?
I mean, there are many people(different universes/timelines) exist in the world, does that prove the things you did in your past(one timeline) suddenly aren't yours? [/B]

Your interpretation also doesn't match well with the interview who wrote the "everthing is canon" writer(Snyder)
Who specifically mentions alternate universes has nothing to do with "everything counts" part

Timestamped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQAGmBZPhdQ&t=4648s

You've the writer who specifically made reference to a pre-crisis story, and based on the interview, he definitely views the story as part of Superman's canon

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Then the latest Superman Red/Blue comic showcased this, as Superman remembers (and the editor, Jamie Rich, directly confirms it) doing something in World's Finest 192-193, which was released in 1970 (i.e. pre Crisis):

At the time I was asked to write a Superman story, the things that I was writing were coming from a real perspective about race and demographics. And that was fine and great, because those were things that I really understood. Those are the things that I like writing about in television, film, books, and graphic novels, to just give a little bit of perspective, a little reality check in the things that I was doing. But then, I was asked to write a fairly pure Superman story, and to step out of the things that I use to make my writing distinct, urgent, and necessary. And it was like, 'Okay, can you really step up and write one more story to add to the great canon of one of the greatest characters ever created? And do something not necessarily monumental, or game-changing, but adds to Superman?' That was a little daunting.

A very personal one. I really wanted to try to imbue into this story one of the first comic books that I remember reading back in the day, [Bob Haney and Ross Andru's] World's Finest #192 and 193.

And so now, I had an opportunity decades later to revisit that experience that Superman went through

And plus all these

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I mean recently just in the Wonder Woman comic, Superman mentions his super-ventriloquism
https://ibb.co/k6qRBdx

Which only regularly seen in pre-crisis era

https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Ventriloquism

And Superman recently met pre-crisis Terra-Man, Terra-Man directly says he and superman has their fair share of run-ins
https://ibb.co/zPRRz95
https://ibb.co/54mttpH

This is Pre-Crisis Terra-Man, who is a space cowboy
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/76/Tobias_Manning_Earth-One_0001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20240114140943
This is Post-Crisis Terra-man, who is a Poison Ivy rip-off
https://ibb.co/q9DczSV

And then you've The Abominable Snowman(Doctor Phoenix version)
https://ibb.co/cbxL4WV
Who is only has Pre-Crisis appearances before Infinite Frontier(I.E, after Death Metal he was brought back)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/abominable-snowman/4005-36853/issues-cover/

There are also not-direct related to Superman, but other characters made pre-crisis references examples.
Like Blue Beetle directly referred a pre-crisis comic(1967)
https://ibb.co/jv0YtBn
etcetc

But it feels this discussion is being stretched a bit in the Discussion thread. Maybe I should make a new thread?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting that DC once more showcases that everything is canon - the Ultra Humanite directly references the Purple Plague (Action Comics #19, 1940) and the Atomic Disintegrator (plus multiple bodies, Action Comics #21, 1940):

Superman and the Authority #4, 2021:

Action Comics #19, 1940:

Action Comics #21, 1940:

Edit:
Also, bio also mentions the characters have their memories of previous continuties/their pasts have been restored
https://ibb.co/jDd0rQN

So here you go
On-Panel dialogue, editor notes, interviews, solicitations, bio.
What more do you want?

^ That's a reposted mishmash of unrelated scans that do not override the actual follow-up to Death Metal:

There isn't just "one timeline" but "countless universes" worth of timelines.

You're channeling Mr Master trying to post random Infinity Gauntlet scans, Defenders panels and handbook entries to pretend the IG was multiversal when an actual Infinity War scan shows that IGs control only their own reality and are, thus, universal in scope.

I'd say "try harder" but you tried. You tried hard. But, yknow...

Originally posted by ODG
^ That's a reposted mishmash of unrelated scans that do not override the actual follow-up to Death Metal:

You're channeling Mr Master trying to post random Infinity Gauntlet scans, Defenders panels and handbook entries to pretend the IG was multiversal when an actual Infinity War scan shows that IGs control only their own reality and are, thus, universal in scope.

I'd say "try harder" but you tried. You tried hard. But, yknow...

And then you've like dozens of instances to prove that pre-crisis history did return throughout comics.

The idea of parallel can be on track so that the alternative is fact.