Comic Book Questions & Discussion

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85

"I'm just a man. A man, trying his level best, every night, to prevent trauma..."

...by dressing up as a nightmare creature and stalking people in the dark.

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ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Waid's run is so good. Mxy finally met his match. Doom-Mite will probably be stopped by something stupid, though
I assume fans like you and qwertyuiop1998 (and now Darksaint85???P) love Waid's classic take on their team-ups, especially how Waid's run reinforces PC history too, right?

Spoiler:
https://tenor.com/view/its-a-trap-trap-star-wars-gif-5519836
Senor Cage Senior Member

They're just fun stories. Check it out

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ Very fun. 👆

I have checked it out.

Spoiler:
It's why I'm sitting here smh at this "everything is canon" notion being peddled by the same people gushing over the current storylines despite how Waid has completely retconned Batman and Superman's history with each other.
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agree or disagree

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qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
^ Very fun. 👆

I have checked it out.

Spoiler:
It's why I'm sitting here smh at this "everything is canon" notion being peddled by the same people gushing over the current storylines despite how Waid has completely retconned Batman and Superman's history with each other.

LMAO, just because you're butthurt doesn't mean everyone else can't read.
Interesting enough, in the recent Wonder Woman comic I found this comment
https://ibb.co/2gcKm85
So it doesn't seem it just us saying Silver Age is canon, some random comic fans also accept the notion that it's canon(and also doesn't seem to only one writer takes the "everyhing is canon" notion, as Wonder Woman comics are written by Tom King)

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Originally posted by ODG
I assume fans like you and qwertyuiop1998 (and now Darksaint85???P) love Waid's classic take on their team-ups, especially how Waid's run reinforces PC history too, right?

Spoiler:
https://tenor.com/view/its-a-trap-trap-star-wars-gif-5519836

I am a fan of messy drama and the resulting flare-ups it causes 👆

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
LMAO, just because you're butthurt doesn't mean everyone else can't read.
Interesting enough, in the recent Wonder Woman comic I found this comment
https://ibb.co/2gcKm85
So it doesn't seem it just us saying Silver Age is canon, some random comic fans also accept the notion that it's canon(and also doesn't seem to only one writer takes the "everyhing is canon" notion, as Wonder Woman comics are written by Tom King)
You understand that you're referring to a story of ongoing hijinks of an alternate reality future daughter of Wonder Woman who is being raised by an older Jon Kent and Damian Wayne?

So when Mark Waid completely retcons Superman and Batman's first meet-up and their mutual discovery of their alter egos in an extended flagship comic's storyline... that should be handwaved? In favor of some tongue-in-cheek reference to a PC story that has since turned into a meme, made by an alternate reality future character... this, however, this is what canonizes all of PC history?

Am I supposed to take this seriously?

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
You understand that you're referring to a story of ongoing hijinks of an alternate reality future daughter of Wonder Woman who is being raised by an older Jon Kent and Damian Wayne?

So when Mark Waid completely retcons Superman and Batman's first meet-up and their mutual discovery of their alter egos in an extended flagship comic's storyline... that should be handwaved? In favor of some tongue-in-cheek reference to a PC story that has since turned into a meme, made by an alternate reality future character... this, however, this is what canonizes all of PC history?

Am I supposed to take this seriously?


First, I like to see the proof that it isn't a future of Prime Earth
And then, you also have in the same Wonder Woman comic, Superman mentions his super-ventriloquism
https://ibb.co/k6qRBdx

Yes. That's not the first time DC revisited Superman and Batman's first meetings.
For example, Superman Man of Steel's Superman and Batman's first meeting later revisited by Superman/Batman Secret Files, it doesn't mean both stories didn't take place in the same universe
Or put it this way. Superman's origin in Man of Steel later gets retconed in Superman Birthright doesn't stop both stories happened in the same universe
Also, not sure why it can't be as a proof? As long as it proves PC story happened. In the same series, Final Crisis also brough up as a joke but it's also made clear this event happened

I mean, just recently, WF makes references to many Jimmy's transformations and a PC Superman villain, if you want a more serious references

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

IT'S ALL CANON.

https://www.cbr.com/15-jimmy-olsen-transformations-that-were-bonkers-af/

Human Porcupine was from 1962
Human Octopus was 1959
Human Flamethrower, Elasti-man, TurtleMan - they're all PreCrisis.

Also, WW is not the mightiest hero. Lol@DC going out of their way to emphasise that.

Edit: Also, Zha-Vam is PreCrisis as well.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
First, I like to see the proof that it isn't a future of Prime Earth
I don't have to prove a negative. And that's not how KMC works. Read the rules on "No Non-canon Sources" again. Especially now, given how often DC retcons stuff, it's ridiculous for you to demand that an alternate future Jon Kent & Damian Wayne's babysitting adventures un-retcon retcons.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes. That's not the first time DC revisited Superman and Batman's first meetings.
Full stop. And now there's a new story of how Superman and Batman first met and exchanged their secret identities. That's a clear retcon. Happened in a DC flagship title in an extended storyline. By the same author whose nuts you're hugging for peppering tongue-in-cheek allusions to PC history memes.

Such clear retcons outweigh tongue-in-cheek allusions to silly PC history memes. Even moreso when the tongue-in-cheek allusion is mentioned by an alternate future Jon Kent in a backpages story.

Almost nobody cares. And y'know what?

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
I don't have to prove a negative. And that's not how KMC works. Read the rules on "No Non-canon Sources" again.

Yes, you have to. As *you're* the one who makes claims that possible futures or whatever don't count.
Yes, I read it. And no where does it say possible futures don't count. It only says comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

DC One Million is a possible future for DC Mainstream universe, doesn't mean it wouldn't count as evidence for example

Originally posted by ODG
Full stop. And now there's a new story of how Superman and Batman first met and exchanged their secret identities. That's a clear retcon. Happened in a DC flagship title in an extended storyline. By the same author whose nuts you're hugging for peppering tongue-in-cheek allusions to PC history memes.

Such clear retcons outweigh tongue-in-cheek allusions to silly PC history memes. Even moreso when the tongue-in-cheek allusion is mentioned by an alternate future Jon Kent in a backpages story.

Almost nobody cares. And y'know what?


Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

For example, Superman Man of Steel's Superman and Batman's first meeting later revisited by Superman/Batman Secret Files, it doesn't mean both stories didn't take place in the same universe
Or put it this way. Superman's origin in Man of Steel later gets retconed in Superman Birthright doesn't stop both stories happened in the same universe
Also, not sure why it can't be as a proof? As long as it proves PC story happened. In the same series, Final Crisis also brough up as a joke but it's also made clear this event happened

I mean, just recently, WF makes references to many Jimmy's transformations and a PC Superman villain, if you want a more serious references


In short, you seems to just moving goalpost or confusing two concepts at this point.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes, you have to.
No. I do not have to disprove that an alternate future character isn't the Prime Earth's future canon version. Particularly not if the endgame goal is to use an alternate future to somehow un-retcon PC history??? A veritable Gordian knot of stupidity right here.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
In short, you seems to just moving goalpost or confusing two concepts at this point.
The sheer phucking irony...

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
No. I do not have to disprove that an alternate future character isn't the Prime Earth's future canon version.

Kind of need you to prove that it's an alternate future/not a future version of Prime Earth.

Originally posted by ODG
The sheer phucking irony...

Yes, irony. As it looks like you're the one who dodging questions/proofs and asking others to provide proofs.
I mean, even if we don't count future versions, recent WF still makes multiple references to PC. Not to mention other comics, bios, interviews I posted before.

If you want talks about proofs, maybe you should first give me whenever DC explicitly says "everyhting is canon" no longer valid?

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Kind of need you to prove that it's an alternate future/not a future version of Prime Earth.
Kind of need you to suck my left nut.

Do it wrong. Or do it right. Don't shift the burden of proof. And don't ignore KMC rules. And if you continue to do so, don't pretend like you're in some position to deride me. You're just being a colossal tool.

Senor Cage Senior Member

Bro, how many times we gotta say this? You just have to trust us.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
Don't shift the burden of proof. And don't ignore KMC rules. And if you continue to do so, don't pretend like you're in some position to deride me. You're just being a colossal tool.

How can it be my burden of proof, when you're the one who first makes the claim that isn't canon or the KMC rules define it as non-canon.
Yet, you seem to be unable to prove either.

Furthmore, like I said multiple times before. Even if we don't count future versions, the comics that set in present time also make many references to PC stories. And again, you seem to dodge this part?

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
How can it be my burden of proof, when you're the one who first makes the claim that isn't canon or the KMC rules define it as non-canon.
Yet, you seem to be unable to prove either.

Just to further explain this point.
For example, I also can say this future seemingly is indeed the canon/mainline future. At least, according to this artcile(And it seems it's due to how Tom King phrased it in the intervew?)
https://thedirect.com/article/wonder-woman-daughter-dc-official
This is not the first time the Wonder Woman character has had a daughter, with characters like Hippolyta Trevor's Fury and Stephanie Trevor's Wonder Girl on other DC Earths. However, Lizzie is, as of now, seemingly Wonder Woman's only canon, mainline daughter.

Tom King's words

"I think it’s safe to say we’ll see more of that future as we move forward with the story in 'Wonder Woman,' which centers around how that future came to be. But it’s important to add that the main focus of 'Wonder Woman' the book will be Wonder Woman the hero."

As one of famous statement in debate says:"what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence".
You say it doesn't count, but on the other hand, I also can say it counts, as long as both sides can't provide definite proofs

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
How can it be my burden of proof
I've already explained why. But you appear constitutionally incapable of understanding simple logic or forum rules.

I dunno, maybe English isn't your first language. Ok. But it's not my burden to hold you by the hand and remedy the sheer cretinism your posts amount to.

So just shut up when you talk to me.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Bro, how many times we gotta say this? You just have to trust us.
Trust deez nutz in your mouth, pal.