Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by abhilegend
I found the whole fight funny. Especially the part where Sam comically punches a stationary in the air Steve.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh yes, Superman needs reverse feats from that paragon of power, Martian Manhunter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If its already so, what are you trying to prove here.

If not, why chase me across 10+ years w/ 200+ posts?

abhi best poster or not

he's superior to you in every way, odg.

you are both biased but fact is he read more comics than you.

^ Your opinion is duly noted. On the other hand, you slavishly lick dirty taint. 👆

keep on having meltdowns, it's entertaining

^ It would've been funnier if you simply reported me. 👇

Originally posted by ODG
??? That makes absolutely no sense. But you do you, pal.

If not, why chase me across 10+ years w/ 200+ posts?

Never chased you.

Originally posted by ODG

If not, why chase me across 10+ years w/ 200+ posts?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Never chased you.

Originally posted by Smurph
Just kiss already

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Works for me, just saying:

Not commenting on their contents or anyone's interpretation of them.

Everything works fine.

Dumb still hasn't found himself a job, it's not easy for an ex-con.

Are you sure it's not the autism?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Your opinion is duly noted. On the other hand, you slavishly lick dirty taint. 👆

The......Dark......Taint?

DarkTaint85

He could be your sidekick.

Originally posted by Astner
What are you talking about? My argument is independent of whether you consider World's Funnest canon or not. The only reason I brought it up was because it's an Elseworld's story, and it was never anything else.

But even if you consider it canon that would only mean Mr. Mxyzptlk has been depowered, since he and his peers are nowhere near that level of power, as demonstrated in Death Metal, or even more recently in the imp story in World's Finest.

Conversely, Perpetua was taxed after destroying a single universe. Granted she was still missing [what was implied to be] a very small fraction of her full power at the time, but technically, so was Emperor Joker(as he only had 99.9% of Mxy's full power)... So that part is a wash, imo. The difference, however, is that Perpetua was an adept with her power, while Joker obviously was not -- and during the EJ arc, it was stated multiple times that experience with an "omnipotent" powerset matters(ie. the more adept Joker became, the more of a threat to all reality he was.) That said, Perpetua had eons to acclimate to her power/godhood, while Joker only had hours/days... Yet he still grossly outperformed her.

So if we're just talking about displayed feats(even without factoring in the World's Funnest stuff), then even a n00b with Mxy's power > Perpetua... But if we account for statements/accolades and writer intent, then Perpetua > Mxy. So I suppose it just depends on the metric you choose to use.

And no, Mxy hasn't been depowered. It has always been the same character in some form or another... Don't confuse his lack of constant universe-busting with him being gimped in some way. The guy loves the 3rd dimension, he doesn't want to destroy it.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
DarkTaint85

He could be your sidekick.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, even if you throw away the feats in World's Funnest for whatever reason, you still have Emperor Joker warping, destroying, and recreating the universe(and even threatening DC's higher dimensions + the multiverse itself), with no effort whatsoever. Literally none.

Conversely, Perpetua was taxed after destroying a single universe. Granted she was still missing [what was implied to be] a very small fraction of her full power at the time, but technically, so was Emperor Joker(as he only had 99.9% of Mxy's full power)... So that part is a wash, imo. The difference, however, is that Perpetua was an adept with her power, while Joker obviously was not -- and during the EJ arc, it was stated multiple times that experience with an "omnipotent" powerset matters(ie. the more adept Joker became, the more of a threat to all reality he was.) That said, Perpetua had eons to acclimate to her power/godhood, while Joker only had hours/days... Yet he still grossly outperformed her.

So if we're just talking about displayed feats(even without factoring in the World's Funnest stuff), then even a n00b with Mxy's power > Perpetua... But if we account for statements/accolades and writer intent, then Perpetua > Mxy. So I suppose it just depends on the metric you choose to use.

And no, Mxy hasn't been depowered. It has always been the same character in some form or another... Don't confuse his lack of constant universe-busting with him being gimped in some way. The guy loves the 3rd dimension, he doesn't want to destroy it.

Speaking of the Emperor Joker story. One of the Joker's notable feats is possessing the Spectre.

This is particularly interesting because in a tie-in to Day of Vengeance it was shown that the Spectre had drained Mr. Mxyzptlk's power.

- Adventures of Superman (1987) #646

So here we're faced with a seeming contradiction. Mr. Mxyzptlk's power was enough to take control of the Spectre, and the Spectre's power was enough to drain Mr. Mxyzptlk. Of course you can resolve this in a number of different ways. You can say that the Emperor Joker story and World's Funnest (were Mr. Mxyzptlk also defeated the Spectre) are two stories, and Adventures of Superman #646 is just one story. But you could also argue that Day of Vengeance came out after either of the previous stories and therefore should be more relevant. Either interpretation works fine in my opinion, the point is that you need a sensible interpretation.

As far as Mr. Mxyzptlk vs Perpetua is concerned. I'm open to persuasion on that one. Clearly the World-Forger needed to rely on Mr. Mxyzpltk's and Bat-Mite's powers to unravel the universe to then create a new one. And the three Monitor brothers never seemed all that impressive in terms of power, with the exception of the Anti-Monitor in Crisis on Infinite Earths. But at that point he channeled the powers of the Anti-matter Universe. But you still have to contend with Mr. Mxyzpltk's claim that Dr. Manhattan was more powerful than he, and (after having his brain implant) the Darkest Knight consolidated more power before taking on Perpetua.

If you or anyone else can sort it out I'd be a bit more receptive. But as it stands I'm of the impression that this is just a bunch of cherry-picking with little to no regard for consistency or contextualizing.

Originally posted by Astner
As far as I'm concerned the power of cosmic characters need to be contextualized within a cosmic hierarchy, similar to the one Mr Master did for Marvel. Furthermore, it has to make sense: accounting for the details provided in the story and the changes that have occurred over the years. Hal Jordan relying on the Entropy at the end of time to destroy the universe being an example of the former, and Darkseid in Final Crisis an example of the latter. A more in-depth example would be XSUPREMEXSKILLZ coverage of Scott Snyder's revision of Grant Morrison's cosmology, here's the thread.

Speaking of the Emperor Joker story. One of the Joker's notable feats is possessing the Spectre.

This is particularly interesting because in a tie-in to Day of Vengeance it was shown that the Spectre had drained Mr. Mxyzptlk's power.

- Adventures of Superman (1987) #646

So here we're faced with a seeming contradiction. Mr. Mxyzptlk's power was enough to take control of the Spectre, and the Spectre's power was enough to drain Mr. Mxyzptlk. Of course you can resolve this in a number of different ways. You can say that the Emperor Joker story and World's Funnest (were Mr. Mxyzptlk also defeated the Spectre) are two stories, and Adventures of Superman #646 is just one story. But you could also argue that Day of Vengeance came out after either of the previous stories and therefore should be more relevant. Either interpretation works fine in my opinion, the point is that you need a sensible interpretation.

As far as Mr. Mxyzptlk vs Perpetua is concerned. I'm open to persuasion on that one. Clearly the World-Forger needed to rely on Mr. Mxyzpltk's and Bat-Mite's powers to unravel the universe to then create a new one. And the three Monitor brothers never seemed all that impressive in terms of power, with the exception of the Anti-Monitor in Crisis on Infinite Earths. But at that point he channeled the powers of the Anti-matter Universe. But you still have to contend with Mr. Mxyzpltk's claim that Dr. Manhattan was more powerful than he, and (after having his brain implant) the Darkest Knight consolidated more power before taking on Perpetua.

If you or anyone else can sort it out I'd be a bit more receptive. But as it stands I'm of the impression that this is just a bunch of cherry-picking with little to no regard for consistency or contextualizing.

How dare you.

Mr Master was right. 10,000 different posters can't be wrong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your first mistake was relying on Mr Master.

For these characters there are a million different interpretations. Why should I accept your interpretation over Galan's interpretation, or ODG's interpretation?

The simple answer is: if your interpretation makes more sense than their interpretations.

So how does an interpretation make sense? Well, if the power dynamics make sense locally (in the story) and if it makes sense globally (with the contemporary canon).

When it comes to compromises I'd much rather see compromises locally, unless we're specifically talking about an individual story. For example: In a thread using World's Funnest Mr. Mxyzptlk we're specifically emphasizing the power dynamics in that story over other stories.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not relying on him at all. I'm just using his cosmological hierarchy thread as an example.

For these characters there are a million different interpretations. Why should I accept your interpretation over Galan's interpretation, or ODG's interpretation?

Similarly, why should I accept Master's interpretation?

The simple answer is: if your interpretation makes more sense than their interpretations.

So how does an interpretation make sense? Well, if the power dynamics make sense locally (in the story) and if it makes sense globally (with the contemporary canon).

It doesn't. I could give you several dozen examples. But I doubt you'll change your view.

When it comes to compromises I'd much rather see compromises locally, unless we're specifically talking about an individual story. For example: In a thread using World's Funnest Mr. Mxyzptlk we're specifically emphasizing the power dynamics in that story over other stories.

Similarly, in a thread involving Living Tribunal, do you decide Nightmare is superior to Living Tribunal because he was killed by three Beyonders while Nightmare crushed three Beyonders in his hand. Nightmare also defeated Tribunal with the dreams of a single universe. Or is it not convenient for your agenda?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How dare you.

Mr Master was right. 10,000 different posters can't be wrong.