Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by Astner

Okay. But what's the point in digging into the technical implications of a literal reading of a statement given the non-technical phrasing, and the fact that it didn't happen?

Originally posted by carver9
If his everything he got is just Mars level, then he needs to start benching some weights.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.

The energy needed to knock Mars out of orbit is vastly more than that to bench the Earth.

Try harder, Carv.

ChatGPT is going to ruin you.

Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't matter how you try to calculate it because it didn't say WILL fall out of orbit, it said COULD which is a possibility, not a fact.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That wasn't your original point though was it lmao. You just saw Mars and thought waaah here's my chance to lowball lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was mentioned in the comic to show the force of the punch, why even bother mentioning it otherwise?

But most importantly, a literal reading would have more technical issues. And it's not limited to the non-technical phrasing. A punch that would've knocked Mars into the Sun delivered on the planet's surface would disintegrated a large chuck of the planet.

You may point out that I'm being overly picky here, but let me remind you that you're relying on a flimsy statement.

Originally posted by Astner
This time, sure. But in general it bad at coding and even worse at physics. It's better just to crunch the numbers.

For Mars it would take more energy to knock it into the Sun or out of the Solar System that it would to disintegrate it, that's correct. As is knocking Mars into the Sun requiring roughly the same amount of energy as blowing up the Earth.

Note: Wolfram calculates the gravitational binding energy for a sphere with uniform density. Earth's density if technically not uniform, it varies with each segment and they're generally denser at the core. It's not that difficult to calculate, it's the same as the derivation of the gravitational binding energy formula but you integrate by parts. If you want a more precise value for Earth gravitational binding energy I could calculate it.

F = mg is is only true on the Earth's surface, on the moon it would be different.

Generally F = GMm/r², but since on the Earth's surface M and r² are constant you can take (GM/r²) = g and so you get F = mg.

But on the surface of the moon "g" would be different.

Yeah, but no one did that. What was said was: "The mountain will explode. Mars could fall out of orbit." Neither of which happened. Moreover 'Mars falling out of orbit,' is not a technical expression, and if it was intended to be then it betrays the author's unfamiliarity with orbital mechanics.

Originally posted by Astner
Because it sounds cool? Because Miss Martian panicked? There are plenty of reasons for why it could've been added.

But most importantly, a literal reading would have more technical issues. And it's not limited to the non-technical phrasing. A punch that would've knocked Mars into the Sun delivered on the planet's surface would disintegrated a large chuck of the planet.

You may point out that I'm being overly picky here, but let me remind you that you're relying on a flimsy statement.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shay Veritas' science facility was located on EArth - which is where Superman was benching the Earth's equivalent mass.

In this scene the location doesn't matter since he was not bench-pressing a weight with a particular mass. He was hooked up to some high-tech machinery likely relying on magnetic fields the simulate the weight, and the information he received concerning the simulated mass would be in relation to what he was familiar with.

But lifting capacity and striking capacity are not related, so it's not a good comparison. The planet-destroying works a lot better here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But collateral damage isn't always a good guide to damage in comics - just pointing this out.

Originally posted by Astner
Oh, so you're talking about the New 52 scene, Superman #13 or something like that?

In this scene the location doesn't matter since he was not bench-pressing a weight with a particular mass. He was hooked up to some high-tech machinery likely relying on magnetic fields the simulate the weight, and the information he received concerning the simulated mass would be in relation to what he was familiar with.

But lifting capacity and striking capacity are not related, so it's not a good comparison. The planet-destroying works a lot better here.

Collateral damage is the only reasonable metric. Because it's the one thing can't be denied.

Then Hulk's pants never get destroyed, ergo....the attacks he outputs/weathers aren't above what is needed to damage cloth.

Really no need in arguing the showing since it hold little to no credibility.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then Hulk's pants never get destroyed, ergo....the attacks he outputs/weathers aren't above what is needed to damage cloth.

This is why I don't rely on statements unless they're clearly describing a feat beyond any resonable doubt, in which case the role of the statement is solely supplementary.

I dont get why writers avoiding putting pictures of naked characters is being used as evidence of fts or an argument. Its comics, not porn. Lol

Hulk's pants are almost as durable as Robin's anus.

So even in a very weak state(like, supposdely Xa-Du took thousands of years to break the well of time. In this time, his powers constantly ebbing) Xa-Du still was able to strangle Martian Manhunter
https://ibb.co/chKCn8q
https://ibb.co/5jbGJCZ
https://ibb.co/hdwsbR6
https://ibb.co/3sB6MQW

And come to think about it, when was the last time MMH looks good when he faced a Kryptonian in a physical battle?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So even in a very weak state(like, supposdely Xa-Du took thousands of years to break the well of time. In this time, his powers constantly ebbing) Xa-Du still was able to strangle Martian Manhunter
https://ibb.co/chKCn8q
https://ibb.co/5jbGJCZ
https://ibb.co/hdwsbR6
https://ibb.co/3sB6MQW

And come to think about it, when was the last time MMH looks good when he faced a Kryptonian in a physical battle?

Originally posted by abhilegend
JLU also confirmed J'onn isn't quite as strong or fast as Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
It’s likely hangover from the first couple arcs of this vol of Superman. Dr Pharma and Graft, who were apparently some of the big brains behind Luthor before he got rid of them, injected Superman with some red Kryptonite that makes him obscenely angry like in the old school interpretations of it.

Supes has really been going through it since Williamson started writing. His run is pretty wild.

Looks like you are right.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Have you guys seen the power levels depicted on the JL membership cards? Superman is Power Level 100, Flash is 86, WW is 95, and Batman is 75....

Santa is Power Level 100:

Batman 75?

Maybe when completely naked and in deep sleep after giving Lois twenty orgasms.

He held back on the day they measured power levels, so Superman could feel good about himself.

Speaking of power level.
In the official Superman The Definitive History book. Mark Waid did state that the strongest person in JL should be Superman....and Wonder Woman certainly isn't going to take the role
https://ibb.co/bv4V7J0

And some writers think they are equals physically.

Originally posted by carver9
And some writers think they are equals physically.

Can you back this up? Share the explicit words please.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So even in a very weak state(like, supposdely Xa-Du took thousands of years to break the well of time. In this time, his powers constantly ebbing) Xa-Du still was able to strangle Martian Manhunter
https://ibb.co/chKCn8q
https://ibb.co/5jbGJCZ
https://ibb.co/hdwsbR6
https://ibb.co/3sB6MQW

And come to think about it, when was the last time MMH looks good when he faced a Kryptonian in a physical battle?

You forgot to post this...

https://ibb.co/2KWJwQk
https://ibb.co/yf6qV3Z