Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by Phil
We'll probably get more hax when Superman has to confront at once infected Shazam, Supergirl, Blue Beetle, Hawkman, Donna Troy and, especially, Jim Gordon.

Though, if he held back against Shazam, he'll probably let himself get beaten by Supergirl.

Could go either way, I guess. If Superman keeps the same mindset he had against TSWL, then he's not going to risk harming any of them -- he'll pull his punches again. But if he goes all "desperate measures" against them, then he might drop the hammer pretty hard...

Superman is actually infected with the toxin right now, correct?

Originally posted by LordGod
Superman is actually infected with the toxin right now, correct?

I think Superman likely infected himself by choice.

The random "HEHs" in his last dialogue with Bruce seems indicative of such:

...Unless he's really trying to get into character, lol.

That's probably why Bruce said "the clock is ticking" at the end:

IOW, Superman only has a certain amount of time to reverse the effects of the toxin before they're permanent.

There's also his 'Jokery' look/laugh:

Which would be pretty hard to imitate... Especially to someone as smart as TBWL.

Originally posted by LordGod
Did Shazam know where TBWL was being held?

I'm assuming he didn't otherwise he would have tried to free him, right?

It's actually another feat for Supes, because he worked out where it was - Batman tried to keep it secret from him (and by extension, everyone else).

So I don't think Shazam knew, no.

Also @Galan: I doubt it's a fake. TBWL would know - Batman had to actually infect himself last time, precisely because it couldn't be faked.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also @Galan: I doubt it's a fake. TBWL would know - Batman had to actually infect himself last time, precisely because it couldn't be faked.

How strong is this prison barriers? Example, is the prison strong enough to stop Thor from breaking in? If so, anyone have scans. Then it's just a statement. Reminds me of the time when Hulk absorbed energy that had enough power to kill any being on the planet.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24617872/The_Totally_Awesome_Hulk_2015-_001-019.jpg.html

Said by 2 of the smartest beings on Earth, but that could was broken down to should because Hulk was that one individual. Sad this was dismissed here. Any on panel evidence on how powerful this prison is.

What reason do we have to doubt the validity of Superman and Batman's statements? Is there a reason to believe they'd be lying?

In the same issue, Superman also stated that he could have beaten Shazam, but purposefully held back because he didn't want to hurt him. I suppose you think Superman was randomly lying there as well?

I guess my biggest question is: why do you go out of your way to try and lowball every Superman feat, but jizz in your pants anytime Gladiator or Hulk get a decent showing, and take it as the irrefutable gospel?

Originally posted by Galan007
What reason do we have to doubt the validity of Superman and Batman's statements? Is there a reason to believe they'd be lying?

In the same issue, Superman stated that he could have beaten Shazam, but purposefully held back because he didn't want to hurt him. I suppose you think Superman was randomly lying there as well?

I guess my biggest question is: why do you go out of your way to try and lowball every Superman feat, but jizz in your pants anytime Gladiator or Hulk get a decent showing, and take it as the irrefutable gospel?

I asked a question, didnt discredit the showing. I thought the purpose of this thread is to do that? I had a 15 plus page debate here, in this thread about thing vs Hulk and a longer debate right here on if Hulk was amped when he fought the Avengers. If he was amped when he cracked Thor skull. I just asked a question, I didnt outright say he could or couldnt do it.

And I responded with questions in kind.

Don't start backpeddling now... We both know what you are trying to do. 🙂

I mean to be fair "any living thing" on the planet sounds like hyperbole

While Mr Miracle was referenced to I guess make the feat seem more impressive considering he's the *god of escape* lol

Originally posted by Galan007
And I responded with questions in kind.

Don't start backpeddling now. 🙂

Lol... you think I'm lowballing him though.

I dont think we ever took statements as validity without any outside proof. Well, this is what was told to me. Example, Reed said Hulk power rivals the Phoenix Force, do you take that as fact?

Let me know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is textbook.

She didn't just 'surround him in dirt'. You then using 'lol' in an attempt to belittle that idea COMPLETELY misses the point. Because that is NOT the idea we are putting forth.

She phased the dirt INTO him.

But because you have a specific narrative in your head, you twist the showing to suit your ends. And now, it's artist error/comic writing.

If he regrew his arms, why did he regrow them with concrete phased into it? Why did his sandals come back?

Your answer: artist error/comics. Because you desperately want it to become a feat for Hulk where he regrows both his arms and legs instantaneously.

You take this scene:

And turn it into:

You take this scene:

And turn it into:

Your interpretations are...suspect at best. Like when you denied that Cyborg disintegrated a parademon:

Or Aquaman stabbing Darkseid:

Or when you try to nitpick:

Carver's next post: 'Whatever, I'm done, have fun' 'Good to see I am in your feelings' maybe something about me being emotional like a woman, the usual.

Then, a few years/months later, he will be back claiming that Hulk regrew his arms and legs or somesuch, repeating the exact same arguments.

It only seems to be DC, but lately Carv seems to be really coming down hard on Superman lately. Remember the hollow earths?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you think I'm lowballing him though.

I dont think we ever took statements as validity without any outside proof. Well, this is what was told to me. Example, Reed said Hulk power rivals the Phoenix Force, do you take that as fact?

Let me know.

Reed never said that.

He said it was in the same category. How wide is this category?

I, for example, have human level speed. Like Usain Bolt, and Bruce Lee, and Mike Tyson. Doesn't mean we're rivals.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you think I'm lowballing him though.

I dont think we ever took statements as validity without any outside proof. Well, this is what was told to me. Example, Reed said Hulk power rivals the Phoenix Force, do you take that as fact?

Let me know.

Anyway, your new take on statements is interesting, given this:

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator punched Galactus so hard that every being in the Universe bones rattled.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, if he was so weakened, how was he able to withstand a punch that shook the bones in every being in the Universe?

We certainly didn't see bones being rattled when Gladiator socked Galactus, but you instantly started using it as an irrefutable feat here.

Again, the double standards you throw around are legitimately hilarious.

Gotta love the 'Let me know' he signs off with at the end though. Like he's got you in a corner, ready to be Carved.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I mean to be fair "any living thing" on the planet sounds like hyperbole

While Mr Miracle was referenced to I guess make the feat seem more impressive considering he's the *god of escape* lol

What's with you guys? Seriously.

You guys are all just bitter because the Carvster is laying waste on you.

Wonder where Superman Prime was, when Brainiac took over DC 1,000,000?

I want to see a Golden Superman vs Cosmic Lex, but I doubt it"d ever happen.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're absolutely trying to lowball Superman's showing. Don't play coy, lol.

Anyway, your new take on statements is interesting, given this:

We certainly didn't see bones being rattled when Gladiator socked Galactus, but you instantly started using it as an irrefutable feat here.

Again, the double standards you throw around are legitimately hilarious.

That statement is the reason why I'm saying what I am saying though. People discredited it along with the other statement i said above.

I never said Superman didnt or did do the ft, I just asked a question. Stilt said prisons are meant to keep people from escaping but not from letting people in. I wouldn't consider that lowballing either. I'm just trying to figure out when statements are acceptable or not. Consistency.