Tbh, there isn't really a 'feat' that would make Manhattan above Mxy, as the latter has literally erased and remade everything - on panel - with casual ease. You can't beat that - unless you go meta [and Mxy is already meta himself, sooo...]. Manhattan restructuring the DC Multiverse [as he has done], chopping off time streams [as he has done], etc..nothing can be done to 'really' surpass Mxy's feats. So all is left is a direct comparison.
We have Superman directly saying that Manhattan is more powerful than Mxy:
https://imgur.com/a/vxJm2Vs
And Mxy basically saying the same:
https://imgur.com/a/pywSBhP
They do seem to both have similar perspective [Manhattan does seem to be looking at time close to how it feels from the 5th dimension], and Manhattan is more inexperienced [he's just casually studying what the DCU is powered by] but, at the very least, they're in the same 'ballpark', imo.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Oh jesus.
Meh, his durability hasn't always been all that.
You've just tooted the horn of carver. Now he rises from the 9th circle of Hell and shall cast unto you the judgement of The One Below All.
Originally posted by PhilNot that I disagree, because I have no doubt that Manhattan is legitimately meant to be that powerful, but I feel like Superman was just taking what Mxy had alluded to about Manhattan and running with it there. Because at that point Superman didn't actually know anything about Manhattan, other than he had f*cked with universal time/space... But that alone obviously doesn't put him even remotely close to Mxy's tier. After all, Superman knows full well that Mxy can "fracture aspects of reality" with absolutely no effort as well. /shrug
Tbh, there isn't really a 'feat' that would make Manhattan above Mxy, as the latter has literally erased and remade everything - on panel - with casual ease. You can't beat that. So Manhattan restructuring the DC Multiverse [as he has done], chopping off time streams [as he has done], etc..nothing can be done to 'really' surpass Mxy's feats. So all is left is a direct comparison.We have Superman directly saying that Manhattan is more powerful than Mxy:
https://imgur.com/a/vxJm2VsAnd Mxy basically saying the same:
https://imgur.com/a/pywSBhPThey do seem to both have similar perspective [Manhattan does seem to be looking at time close to how it feels from the 5th dimension], and Manhattan is more inexperienced [he's just casually studying what the DCU is powered by] but, at the very least, they're in the same 'ballpark', imo.
I agree, I think Superman was going there by what Mxy told him.
But Manhattan's warping was something that even Mxy couldn't undo, by his own words:
https://imgur.com/a/u0sPmEV
...and this is the same guy who undid Joker's absolutely ravaging creation in every way, down to the fundamental level.
I think we're in agreement that he's above Mxy in presentation/direct comparisons, but not in feats - but, then again, it's hard to outfeat Mxy, unless you 'devour story' or someshit.
Like I said, it seems intentioned for him to be above, but Johns seems to writing a grounded God, so it's hard to align that with "feats bruh".
They could make the most powerful being ever fail to destroy a building tbh. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just goes against the notion of how we've come to accept powers in comics. It doesn't mean Carver won't slop into a thread with his trademark slappy foot strut, but it will just be harder to use feats to prove anything, even if it's fact. So if for example DM couldn't destroy 2 giant skyscrapers but he could light Mxy up like a Christmas Happy Holidays Tree, what would we accept?
It just doesn't seem right because we're used to battleboard shit, and it might never seem right no matter how many feats he acquires that fall below what we've come to expect. If however he is intended to be above Mxy, then he's above him. Not saying they'll follow along with this, or it's solidified yet, it's just the nature of having so many writers on shit that conflicts with our views.
DM going by feats is definitely below Mxy by far, but I don't think we can conclude anything until the arc is finished via the prior Mxy statements... even if they never go back to the Mxy point. Which will be hell for putting him in Vs threads. 🙂
Originally posted by PhilYeah, if nothing else the initial authorial intent seemed to make it clear that Manhattan > Mxy.
I agree, I think Superman was going there by what Mxy told him.But Manhattan's warping was something that even Mxy couldn't undo, by his own words:
https://imgur.com/a/u0sPmEV...and this is the same guy who undid Joker's absolutely ravaging creation in every way, down to the fundamental level.
I think we're in agreement that he's above Mxy in presentation/direct comparisons, but not in feats - but, then again, it's hard to outfeat Mxy, unless you 'devour story' or someshit.
Originally posted by abhilegendbut i personally thought its actually could happen since mmh basically is make mxy repeats his backward name to negative his affect.and in grant morrison jla,already manifested gl ring is like a meaningless picture in fifthdimension
To be fair that was a hallucination by J'onn.
Originally posted by One Big MobManhattan definitely won't 'out-feat' Mxy, imo. As Phil said: that would be next to impossible.
Like I said, it seems intentioned for him to be above, but Johns seems to writing a grounded God, so it's hard to align that with "feats bruh".They could make the most powerful being ever fail to destroy a building tbh. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just goes against the notion of how we've come to accept powers in comics. It doesn't mean Carver won't slop into a thread with his trademark slappy foot strut, but it will just be harder to use feats to prove anything, even if it's fact. So if for example DM couldn't destroy 2 giant skyscrapers but he could light Mxy up like a
ChristmasHappy Holidays Tree, what would we accept?It just doesn't seem right because we're used to battleboard shit, and it might never seem right no matter how many feats he acquires that fall below what we've come to expect. If however he is intended to be above Mxy, then he's above him. Not saying they'll follow along with this, or it's solidified yet, it's just the nature of having so many writers on shit that conflicts with our views.
DM going by feats is definitely below Mxy by far, but I don't think we can conclude anything until the arc is finished via the prior Mxy statements... even if they never go back to the Mxy point. Which will be hell for putting him in Vs threads. 🙂
But as mentioned, the authorial intent here(assuming Johns doesn't f*ck it up) should take precedence.
Originally posted by PhilYeah, most likely Ozy. We already know he can manipulate Manhattan's energy to an extent, so it'd make sense. Now why he would do something like that is what's odd to me...
Moving on from Omnipotent vs Omnipotent stuff--Did you notice that Batman said Manhattan might not be responsible for the Moscow event? I think Ozy is using his energy -- maybe? Or who else?
Either way, I feel like Ozy is the real 'big bad' here.