Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Do you guys consider Magneto a villain or neutral?IMO I've never considered him a villain.
Just an enemy of the X Men. Like, all things considered, the man shows remarkable restraint after what he's been forced to endure. Attempted genocide of his human and mutant side
Villain. Intent or motivation never excuses actions; it just explains them.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Villain. Intent or motivation never excuses actions; it just explains them.
He does exhibit superiority and genocidal tendencies which by alot of accounts are villainous, but he does love and care for his people and overall just wants their happiness and safety secure which is heroic in alot of regards.
Look at his roots being a jew going through the holocaust seeing his family, his people slaughtered, fast forward to the mutant registration acts how the mutants are judged, ridiculed, and treated by the humans. Do I agree with all of his actions, no, but a vast amount of them were justified. He's seen way too many of his people blood shed, and for the people who said he thinks that he is superior to the human race it's not exactly like he's wrong based upon Darwinism.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He does exhibit superiority and genocidal tendencies which by alot of accounts are villainous, but he does love and care for his people and overall just wants their happiness and safety secure which is heroic in alot of regards.
The capacity to love doesn't inherently make someone a good person. And the whole "doing it to protect his people" excuse has been used by more than a few awful people in history.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Look at his roots being a jew going through the holocaust seeing his family, his people slaughtered, fast forward to the mutant registration acts how the mutants are judged, ridiculed, and treated by the humans. Do I agree with all of his actions, no, but a vast amount of them were justified. He's seen way too many of his people blood shed, and for the people who said he thinks that he is superior to the human race it's not exactly like he's wrong based upon Darwinism.
I see what you're saying, though I don't agree that his actions are justified. I think he's done a lot of really bad shit over the years, even if we don't talk about the times when he was written as a terrible, twirly moustached kind of villain.
He does genuinely care about mutants, yes, but again, that's a reason, not an excuse.
Plus, I thought Marvel was flip-flopping on whether mutants actually were the next stage of evolution? Or did they finally say one way or another that they were evolved Humans?
Originally posted by -Pr-
The capacity to love doesn't inherently make someone a good person. And the whole "doing it to protect his people" excuse has been used by more than a few awful people in history.I see what you're saying, though I don't agree that his actions are justified. I think he's done a lot of really bad shit over the years, even if we don't talk about the times when he was written as a terrible, twirly moustached kind of villain.
He does genuinely care about mutants, yes, but again, that's a reason, not an excuse.
Plus, I thought Marvel was flip-flopping on whether mutants actually were the next stage of evolution? Or did they finally say one way or another that they were evolved Humans?
Germans tried to exterminate his people. Then humans tried to exterminate his species. I'da cracked the Earth's mantle and ended them all. He's nicer than i'da been
Dominating and/or exterminating the species that is actively trying to dominate and/or exterminate your species is deserved retribution to me
Originally posted by -Pr-👆
I see what you're saying, though I don't agree that his actions are justified. I think he's done a lot of really bad shit over the years, even if we don't talk about the times when he was written as a terrible, twirly moustached kind of villain.
Magneto is legitimately a great and complex character, but it's pretty funny that Marvel took this direction with him after having him found the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants"
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Germans tried to exterminate his people. Then humans tried to exterminate his species. I'da cracked the Earth's mantle and ended them all. He's nicer than i'da beenDominating and/or exterminating the species that is actively trying to dominate and/or exterminate your species is deserved retribution to me
If I took one thing from reading X-Men as a child, and watching X-Men cartoons as a child, it was that you can't treat every member of a particular group the same way. In fact, I'd argue that's the point of the comic as a whole.
Humanity as a whole didn't kill Magneto's parents. hell, while the Nazis were killing his people, a bunch of other people were fighting their way across France, Russia, Italy and Africa, trying to stop said Nazis.
It isn't "the species" any more than you can blame all mutants for Magneto trying to murder half of New York twice a year.
Originally posted by Smurph
👆Magneto is legitimately a great and complex character, but it's pretty funny that Marvel took this direction with him after having him found the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants"
lol, yeah. I mean, I like the complexity. I love the arguments it brings up. But Magneto is definitely the antagonist for the heroes.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Do you guys consider Magneto a villain or neutral?IMO I've never considered him a villain.
Just an enemy of the X Men. Like, all things considered, the man shows remarkable restraint after what he's been forced to endure. Attempted genocide of his human and mutant side
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilIf you think that Magneto would exterminate the human race, given the opportunity, then he's not a neutral character, and he's not just an enemy of the X-Men.
Germans tried to exterminate his people. Then humans tried to exterminate his species. I'da cracked the Earth's mantle and ended them all. He's nicer than i'da beenDominating and/or exterminating the species that is actively trying to dominate and/or exterminate your species is deserved retribution to me
Originally posted by Smurph
👆Magneto is legitimately a great and complex character, but it's pretty funny that Marvel took this direction with him after having him found the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants"
definitely a truly fascinating and deep character. One of my all time favorites for sure.
Do I believe his way is the right way? I do not. Do I feel he has a case against the humans? I do because the persecution of mutants didn't stop with the nazis. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with him fundamentally but he is very provocative and charismatic, he does inspire whether it's for good or bad, him being ultimately a hypocrite is just part of his complex identity. He's an really interesting character to read about tbh
Originally posted by -Pr-
If I took one thing from reading X-Men as a child, and watching X-Men cartoons as a child, it was that you can't treat every member of a particular group the same way. In fact, I'd argue that's the point of the comic as a whole.Humanity as a whole didn't kill Magneto's parents. hell, while the Nazis were killing his people, a bunch of other people were fighting their way across France, Russia, Italy and Africa, trying to stop said Nazis.
It isn't "the species" any more than you can blame all mutants for Magneto trying to murder half of New York twice a year.
lol, yeah. I mean, I like the complexity. I love the arguments it brings up. But Magneto is definitely the antagonist for the heroes.
Yet humans still blame all mutants 🤷🏻‍♂️
So why is he wrong for blaming all humans?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Some humans blame all mutants, not all, so why is it okay to blame all humans if it isn't okay to blame all mutants?
I dunno, why is it okay that people blame all white people for slavery? Or blame all cops for police brutality? Or blamed all of Germany for Hitler's actions? 🤷🏻‍♂️
If you as a husband Throw rocks and harm a cub, the mother bear will kill you and whoever is amongst that camping site all because you made that decision. 👈🏾 humans react the same way. Weather you think it’s right or wrong . By the law of nature and Karma, for every action, there’s a reaction.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I dunno, why is it okay that people blame all white people for slavery? Or blame all cops for police brutality? Or blamed all of Germany for Hitler's actions? 🤷🏻‍♂️
Not everyone blames all whites for slavery, nor all cops for police brutality.
We know from history, that the Arabs started enslaving Blacks from African 100 years before the Europeans. We also know that slavery is still being practice in the Middle East and Blacks are slaves there. We don’t go out blame all Middle Easterners for that, just the ones that practice slavery still.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
If you as a husband Throw rocks and harm a cub, the mother bear will kill you and whoever is amongst that camping site all because you made that decision. 👈🏾 humans react the same way. Weather you think it’s right or wrong . By the law of nature and Karma, for every action, there’s a reaction.
Bad analogy. A bear in unable to think complex thoughts like humans. Most animals are all instincts, where as we are able to differentiate between good and bad.
How many times has a human went against their instinct to harm those that hurt their families?
Originally posted by SquallX
Bad analogy. A bear in unable to think complex thoughts like humans. Most animals are all instincts, where as we are able to differentiate between good and bad.How many times has a human went against their instinct to harm those that hurt their families?
my point flew clearly over your head. Animals are smarter than you think.
Better analogy then: Elephants. Just as smart as humans, if not smarter. Have the same complex thoughtprocess as us.
It has been recorded that after poachers of a nearby village in Africa shot one of them they absolutely decimated the entire village in retaliation.