Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think it was actually you, Stilt, that i said this to a while back, but in general: Humans aren't wrong to be afraid of mutants.

People always compare the X-Men to the oppressed minorities of the day, but that analogy falls flat when one important distinction is brought in to it: All joking aside, if your neighbour's son, Timmy, wakes up one day and decides to admit he's gay, or trans, or an atheist, that doesn't endanger your family. He won't burn your house down with a glance or walk through the walls or sneak in to your kids' bedrooms and boil their guts with telekinesis or whatever.

If Timmy is a mutant though? Yes, you have a reason to fear him, because even by accident, he might cause harm.

Now, the flipside is, mutants are born the way they are. Whether they're the next stage of Human evolution or not, they have as much a right to life as anyone else, and are entitled, imo, to defend themselves if necessary. imo it's why the Xavier school largely exists in the first place (using in-universe reasoning).

With that logic anyone with a gun, a knife or any type of object that can cause harm is dangerous.

So I guess we should be afraid of them too

Originally posted by MrMind
mutants literally live superior better lives than humans by large magnitudes

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
With that logic anyone with a gun, a knife or any type of object that can cause harm is dangerous.

So I guess we should be afraid of them too

But such guys can be disarmed and they can't nuke your house, lol.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think it was actually you, Stilt, that i said this to a while back, but in general: Humans aren't wrong to be afraid of mutants.

People always compare the X-Men to the oppressed minorities of the day, but that analogy falls flat when one important distinction is brought in to it: All joking aside, if your neighbour's son, Timmy, wakes up one day and decides to admit he's gay, or trans, or an atheist, that doesn't endanger your family. He won't burn your house down with a glance or walk through the walls or sneak in to your kids' bedrooms and boil their guts with telekinesis or whatever.

If Timmy is a mutant though? Yes, you have a reason to fear him, because even by accident, he might cause harm.

Now, the flipside is, mutants are born the way they are. Whether they're the next stage of Human evolution or not, they have as much a right to life as anyone else, and are entitled, imo, to defend themselves if necessary. imo it's why the Xavier school largely exists in the first place (using in-universe reasoning).

The same sort of problem comes up with interpreting LOTR as a message of unity/fellowship.

Originally posted by MrMind
I can't deal with the x-men universe

mutants literally live superior better lives than humans by large magnitudes, yet they act like victims all the fukin time.

Do they, though? If you're not at the Xavier school, you have to hide who you are if you don't want to get lynched.

If you are at the Institute, then you basically live in a compound surrounded by ridiculous security, and you spend your days at school being taught by teachers who on occasion try to murder each other. And that's without counting the Danger Room.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, good post.

That and - in most cases - X-gene activates during adolescene... crazy teenagers are always bad news, now imagine them with superpowers.

Mutant powers love to get out of control, too.

Yup, big time. Like that acid melty guy in Ultimate X-Men that killed his whole town.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
With that logic anyone with a gun, a knife or any type of object that can cause harm is dangerous.

So I guess we should be afraid of them too

Literally this:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But such guys can be disarmed and they can't nuke your house, lol.

And even then, yes, if I found out my neighbour had a gun, i'd suddenly become 10x more wary of them until i knew them better. and even then, accidents still happen.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah. This is such a common shortcoming for sci-fi and fantasy allegories for racism. The non-human race is actually physically different from humans, which gives a much stronger foothold for policies that would otherwise be racist (like segregation).

The same sort of problem comes up with interpreting LOTR as a message of unity/fellowship.

Yeah. That said I am fully on the side of the X-Men. For the most part, they are the good guys, and they are trying their best in the situation they're in.

I think the recent and current X-men: Dawn of X needs to be read here to get the point

Even when Mutants got their own separate country and Island away from humanity , Humans still found a way to enter Krakoa and assassinate Charles..........

Even now, The Mutants are giving Humanity a chance. They just want to be left alone. Yet, sliced off Skin from a mutant in order to enter through Krakoas barricades for the assassination.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah. This is such a common shortcoming for sci-fi and fantasy allegories for racism. The non-human race is actually physically different from humans, which gives a much stronger foothold for policies that would otherwise be racist (like segregation).

The same sort of problem comes up with interpreting LOTR as a message of unity/fellowship.

racism is literally based on physical difference though 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But such guys can be disarmed and they can't nuke your house, lol.

A can of gas and a match I can burn your house down. That makes me dangerous. I set a house on fire at the age of 6. So I guess I'm dangerous and should be persecuted for it.

People fear what they don't understand. The humans feared the mutants and their abilities and instead of trying to understand them they tried to control, regulate, segregate, enslave and or kill them. Repeated history.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yup, big time. Like that acid melty guy in Ultimate X-Men that killed his whole town.

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I thought of him, too.

But we should find some other example, as Ultimate mutants have different origins and everything, we should stick to 616.

There was that fat kid with Omega Level potential, who murdered his father and was living with his corpse, while still going to school... he felt no remorse over that, now that's nuts.

Or... remember the kid that Northstar was trying to save? He was literally exploding all the damn time, hurting himself and everyone in his vicinity. Obviously, he couldn't control his power... and ended up killing himself, despite Northstar's efforts to try to get him to Xavier asap.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Even when Mutants got their own separate country and Island away from humanity , Humans still found a way to enter Krakoa and assassinate Charles..........

Even now, The Mutants are giving Humanity a chance. They just want to be left alone. Yet, sliced off Skin from a mutant in order to enter through Krakoas barricades for the assassination.

Umm, no they didn't. They basically bribed the world. Told them to get on board with the mutant country or suffer the consequences. They offered amnesty to actual supervillains (some of whom arent even mutants), and have been holding plenty of people over a barrel.

Not to mention the stuff with Franklin Richards.

The X-Men have been bordering on supervillainy at times.

Yeah, some Humans have been dicks, but this is the one point in time where they're not exactly unjustified.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
People fear what they don't understand. The humans feared the mutants and their abilities and instead of trying to understand them they tried to control, regulate, segregate, enslave and or kill them. Repeated history.

And yet, a mutant is generally far more dangerous than any black, gay, or trans person. simply by existing.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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I thought of him, too.

But we should find some other example, as Ultimate mutants have different origins and everything, we should stick to 616.

There was that fat kid with Omega Level potential, who murdered his father and was living with his corpse, while still going to school... he felt no remorse over that, now that's nuts.

Or... remember the kid that Northstar was trying to save? He was literally exploding all the damn time, hurting himself and everyone in his vicinity. Obviously, he couldn't control his power... and ended up killing himself, despite Northstar's efforts to try to get him to Xavier asap.

I don't remember the first one, but the exploder, yeah, that was nasty. and look at the x-men too. if xavier hadn't found some of them, who knows how off the rails they might have gone.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
A can of gas and a match I can burn your house down. That makes me dangerous. I set a house on fire at the age of 6. So I guess I'm dangerous and should be persecuted for it.

Lay off the drugs, Alberto.

Sure, cheap American houses made of shit burn really nice and fast. In movies.

What you don't get is that a mutant teenager can accidentally fire a power blast from his hand capable of disintegrating you.

I just want to show how much leanage Mutants have given humanity

After Humans assassinated Charles

If it wasn’t for Jean bringing him back to life.. boy o boy

Millions dead. Millions. Slavery. Genocide. Turnabout is fairplay

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't remember the first one,

Marvel Team-Up, Kirkman's run.

Originally posted by -Pr-
but the exploder, yeah, that was nasty.

Yeah, it was.

Originally posted by -Pr-
and look at the x-men too. if xavier hadn't found some of them, who knows how off the rails they might have gone.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lay off the drugs, Alberto.

Sure, cheap American houses made of shit burn really nice and fast. In movies.

What you don't get is that a mutant teenager can accidentally fire a power blast from his hand capable of disintegrating you.

School shootings, we should lock up everyone who exhibits abnormal behavior???

I mean I can sit here and point out several reasons why humans are dangerous to themselves as well as those around them.

Hell the humans attacked and persecuted their own. That should tell you something right there.

I could fire a bullet and you're life would be over, not much of a difference tbh.

Let's pretend the humans didn't create weapons for the sole purpose of killing or enslaving the mutants

US launch codes in the wrong hands could potentially destroy world. Should other countries come over and regulate and strip the US of it's power?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
School shootings, we should lock up everyone who exhibits abnormal behavior???

I mean I can sit here and point out several reasons why humans are dangerous to themselves as well as those around them.

Hell the humans attacked and persecuted their own. That should tell you something right there.

Minors shouldn't be able to get access to guns, that's for damn sure. Gun law in the USA is ridiculous.

And again, getting a gun and using it... that's planning.

Having a possibly lethal mutant power kick in just because you hit puberty? Power that you can't control? Something entirely different.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I could fire a bullet and you're life would be over, not much of a difference tbh.

US launch codes in the wrong hands could potentially destroy world. Should other countries come over and regulate and strip the US of it's power?

Alberto losing it again 😂

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
racism is literally based on physical difference though

Which is obviously really different from assuming that a mutant might be dangerous because of an X-gene.