Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cassie relies too much on her body-reading ability she's inherited from her mother.She had trouble with the Joker, too.
Joker's an exception. He's hijacked Spectre out from Jim Corrigan too, and Martian Manhunter couldn't make him sane for more then a minute without nearly killing himself.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Skill wise, there's this:Guess that strips away his meta abilities....maybe not his speed
The problem for me is that one could easily be explained by his reflexes/brainpower being enhanced, as opposed to being pure skill.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cassie relies too much on her body-reading ability she's inherited from her mother.She had trouble with the Joker, too.
Did they retcon it? I thought that was just how she was trained by Cain?
Originally posted by -Pr-
The problem for me is that one could easily be explained by his reflexes/brainpower being enhanced, as opposed to being pure skill.Did they retcon it? I thought that was just how she was trained by Cain?
Indeed. He trained her in body reading as a primary language since birth.
Shiva having that ability is the retcon.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The problem for me is that one could easily be explained by his reflexes/brainpower being enhanced, as opposed to being pure skill.Did they retcon it? I thought that was just how she was trained by Cain?
Problem is he hasn't really ever been shown depowered.
N52 had him before the enhancements, and he was the usual 'greatest soldier' type without being shown against anyone of note. Like all those no name martial artists and killers we see in every street level comic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Indeed.But her trouble with Joker is like fighting a drunken boxer - too crazy, too unpredictable.
DS was because he was blending too many styles too quickly, which to me is skill.
Slade is not exactly sane, either --- and his mind has been enhanced in particular.
Batman knows 127 major styles of combat (and arguably even every style there is, if we count sourcebooks such as this one).
He knows how to switch between them, too. Even Punisher does that. And Cassie still reads Bats just fine.
So, imho at least, Slade overwhelming Cassie is a bad example to use, as he's tailor-made to counter her body-reading ability.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Did they retcon it? I thought that was just how she was trained by Cain?
You're right here, I expressed myself wrong.
Still, I would say genes matter a lot, too. So I should have said that she has inherited the raw talent from Shiva.
She and Cassie are DC's most popular body language-based martial artists, after all.
There is no evidence that David could train just any kid that way, if I'm not mistaken?
Originally posted by cdtm
Indeed. He trained her in body reading as a primary language since birth.Shiva having that ability is the retcon.
Oh right. Was that a New 52 thing? Or just something I happened to miss?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Problem is he hasn't really ever been shown depowered.N52 had him before the enhancements, and he was the usual 'greatest soldier' type without being shown against anyone of note. Like all those no name martial artists and killers we see in every street level comic.
Yeah, that was part of why I asked. Even depowered, I wanted to know just how good he was, or if there was a skill gap that allowed say, Bruce's skill to even things out.
Originally posted by carver9
That kick in this scan shouldve been impossible to do
Dick Grayson is probably the most agile, flexible human being in comics. It would be weird for anyone else, but not for him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're right here, I expressed myself wrong.Still, I would say genes matter a lot, too. So I should have said that she has inherited the raw talent from Shiva.
She and Cassie are DC's most popular body language-based martial artists, after all.
There is no evidence that David could train just any kid that way, if I'm not mistaken?
You make a fair point. I just was wondering where it was stated that she inherited. I like reading up on that expository shit.
Originally posted by cdtm
Joker's an exception. He's hijacked Spectre out from Jim Corrigan too, and Martian Manhunter couldn't make him sane for more then a minute without nearly killing himself.
Slade is meant to use 9 times as much brainpower as normal humans.
So it's no wonder he's too much for Cassie to process.