Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Earth 1 wasn't as depowered despite going through the same red sun.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/8/89194/2095026-totscsp_024.jpg
Took all their powers (Prime lasted longest with his heat vision). Prime was a crazy teenager who beat up an old-man. And then got his ass kicked by a poisoned peak adult male.
And Earth 1 wasn't killed (SBP also targeted his head).
So you agree one's an old man, the other a peak adult male. Got ya.
But just so we're clear, you're saying Earth 2= Earth 1? I don't mind either way, just as long as you're consistent (cowboy 😉. )
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo what was your argument? You questioning whether Kal-El= Kal-L
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/8/89194/2095026-totscsp_024.jpgTook all their powers. Prime was a crazy teenager who beat up an old-man. And then got his ass kicked by a poisoned peak adult male.
This is really scraping the bottom barrel when it comes to excuses 😂 Abhil just straight up tried to invalidate it.
Took all their powers. Prime was a crazy teenager who beat up an old-man. And then got his ass kicked by a poisoned peak adult male.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Earth 1 wasn't killed (SBP also targeted his head).So you agree one's an old man, the other a peak adult male. Got ya.
But just so we're clear, you're saying Earth 2= Earth 1? I don't mind either way, just as long as you're consistent (cowboy 😉. )
Yes, Kal-L is past his peak. That was literally the reason why Alexander chose SBP to manipulate and break free of their heaven. That seems to matter a lot less when they have their powers though. SBP was just way stronger than both Kal-El and Kal-L
What do you mean that's what I'm saying? 😬
Why are you acting like this is my opinion and I just made this up? They had an extremely drawn out fight where they turned out to be equal. If the fight showed that Kal-El > Kal-L, I would say that was the case as well. I give no shits about which Superman is stronger. I just find the Surtur showing absolutely hilarious because it's like Abhiligend's worst nightmare come to life. 😂
This was post-COIE. If you want to include Pre-Crisis feats, Kal-El's feats would be plenty of impressive ones of his own.
I originally said that the reason Surtur did so well was because the JL were defeated, because Superman (Earth 1) wasn't present.
I based this on what the comic said.
Rage then said hey, Earth 2 Superman was there, so why does it matter?
My counterpoint was Earth 1 is more powerful, based on IC.
But if Earth 2 =Earth 1, as long as he is consistent, Rage can keep going.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So what was your argument? You questioning whether Kal-El= Kal-L
But from this quote, You seemingly admitting they're different persons
My argument is what was shown on panel. They fought and we're equal when powered.
Kal-L was past his peak as stated on panel. I assume that this would matter more when they are not super-powered but this is only an assumption and can be disregarded.
I swear, Superman having a bad showing gives people an existential crisis.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, Kal-L is past his peak. That was literally the reason why Alexander chose SBP to manipulate and break free of their heaven. That seems to matter a lot less when they have their powers though. SBP was just way stronger than both Kal-El and Kal-LWhat do you mean that's what I'm saying? 😬
Why are you acting like this is my opinion and I just made this up? They had an extremely drawn out fight where they turned out to be equal. If the fight showed that Kal-El > Kal-L, I would say that was the case as well. I give no shits about which Superman is stronger. I just find the Surtur showing absolutely hilarious because it's like Abhiligend's worst nightmare come to life. 😂
This was post-COIE. If you want to include Pre-Crisis feats, Kal-El's feats would be plenty of impressive ones of his own.
The Surtur showing is also post COIE, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My counterpoint was Earth 1 is more powerful, based on IC.But if Earth 2 =Earth 1, as long as he is consistent, Rage can keep going.
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What do you mean consistent? That was shown on panel. Am I missing something? How is SBP killing one when depowered as relevant as a fight between the two when they are not?
If there was a fight, or a direct comparison that favours Kal-El, I have zero issue doing the same. I legitimately do not care one way or the other. It just seems like an existential crisis is causing some illogical arguments otherwise.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Surtur showing is also post COIE, lol.
Yes, I know....that's what I said to Abhiligend. How does that change my point...?
So Kal-L post COIE is a weakened past his prime in the....five? Ten? Years he's in the paradise dimension?
Illogical? The comic literally states what's different in this timeline - Kal El wasn't around, the JL got defeated, and Suetur wreaks havoc.
You just....let your desire to pull this over Abhi cloud you.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBut this comic said otherwise. Kal-EL would succeed where Kal -L failed. It also stated on panel.
My argument is what was shown on panel. They fought and we're equal when powered.Kal-L was past his peak as stated on panel. I assume that this would matter more when they are not super-powered but this is only an assumption and can be disregarded.
I swear, Superman having a bad showing gives people an existential crisis.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This was post-COIE was it not?😂
It's so inconsistent I can't even keep track.
Superman could be fighting in a shade and "OMG, he's weakened and it doesn't count" but Hulk looks like a deflated testicle and it's still being brought up.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Kal-L post COIE is a weakened past his prime in the....five? Ten? Years he's in the paradise dimension?Illogical? The comic literally states what's different in this timeline - Kal El wasn't around, the JL got defeated, and Suetur wreaks havoc.
You just....let your desire to pull this over Abhi cloud you.
I'm confused about your argument. I think their is miscommunication here. Alexander Luthor said Kal-L was past his prime I believe. I don't know how many years passed etc. I don't remember that portion. I'm simply reiterating what I read. Let me put it this way: If you replaced Kal-El with Kal-L in the JSA, they would've still lost. If you replaced Kal-El with Batman in the JLA, they would've won.
I agree, if Kal-El was there, things would have gone differently. The JL would have lived long enough to team up. I'm not against arguing he could tip the scales. But he's = Kal-L so it wouldn't be some huge power shift but the benefit of having an additional top-tier super-hero and speedster.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Abhi, I'm waiting for the evidenceSilver Age Superman being canon again doesn't make Rebirth Superman be him. It has nothing to do with canon. It's just like in New 52, where the Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint versions of Superman were separate entities until Mr. Mxyzptlk later helped them to reunify following New 52 Superman's death. There's no reason to just assume anything other than Silver Age Superman obviously still being from a separate continuity and existing in his own separate Universe within DC's Metaverse.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm confused about your argument. I think their is miscommunication here. Alexander Luthor said Kal-L was past his prime I believe. I don't know how many years passed etc. I don't remember that portion. I'm simply reiterating what I read.I agree, if Kal-El was there, things would have gone differently. The JL would have lived long enough to team up. I'm not against arguing he could tip the scales. But he's = Kal-L so it wouldn't be some huge power shift but the benefit of having an additional top-tier super-hero and speedster.
You don't know the history of the character, drop it.
Yeah, Kal-L was clearly inferior to Kal-EL due to his old age
Some comics did state that
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Adventures-of-Superman-Gil-Kane/TPB-Part-4?id=148037#68
