Colorado baker is back in court over cake refusal for transitioning person

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Who the **** cares? If a convenience store is suspected of not verifying the age of customers to whom it sells alcohol, and someone attempts to purchase alcohol to confirm whether that is true, do you cry, "Boo hoo, the customer did not enter that transaction in good faith, the poor convenience store is being targeted, because there is suspicion it is not complying with the law?" Get the **** out of here with that noise.

This post is correct, btw. Whether the initial attempted transaction was done in "good faith" or not isn't relevant as far as legality goes. Either his refusal is legal or it is not, the intent of the lawyer doesn't matter much. In the end the court will decide the outcome based on the reasoning of the baker's refusal, not in if the lawyer set a trap for him by asking for a blue and pink cake.

Oh it doesn’t matter legally. But if people are going to suggest this guy has shitty moral character, well the person going after him this time is a vindictive spiteful ****.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Oh it doesn’t matter legally. But if people are going to suggest this guy has shitty moral character, well the person going after him this time is a vindictive spiteful ****.

She is taking a person to court on False Charges. I hope the Kunt gets Jail time for wasting the courts resources.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I’m sorry but if the KKK wants a white cake, nothing obscene on it, just a plain white cake, he should be able to tell them to **** off even if he doesn’t have a personal beef with them and even if their cake is not obscene.

If the KKK wants a plain white cake with nothing obscene on it, then he should sell it to them.

The irony is not lost on me that the same people defending the right of a business owner to refuse service to someone on the basis of a class to which he belongs, are also the people who cry "censorship" when a speaker is refused a platform on the content of his speech.

And that is the myopia of bigotry: never imaging a scenario in which the shoe is on the other foot, and the group to which you belong is not in power. Newsflash: people with no religious adherence are the second largest group in the United States after Roman Catholics and are on the rise, while Christianity continues to decline. Christians will be a minority in American in your lifetime, so you should start considering how fair these principles will be when they are applied to you.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If the KKK wants a plain white cake with nothing obscene on it, then he should sell it to them.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The irony is not lost on me that the same people defending the right of a business owner to refuse service to someone on the basis of a class to which he belongs, are also the people who cry "censorship" when a speaker is refused a platform on the content of his speech.

And that is the myopia of bigotry: never imaging a scenario in which the shoe is on the other foot, and the group to which you belong is not in power. Newsflash: people with no religious adherence are the second largest group in the United States after Roman Catholics and are on the rise, while Christianity continues to decline. Christians will be a minority in American in your lifetime, so you should start considering how fair these principles will be when they are applied to you.

Private enterprise is within the property rights of the people who own each thing. Public institutions are a different story since they are funded with money involuntarily taken from citizens.

My principles for my view of private and public institutions and free market principles are pretty consistent.

It's his property and labor and nobody else is entitled it, same with shitty companies that censor shit on their platforms, not the same with publicly funded institutions which taxpayers have paid for.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't agree with that, I think he should have the freedom of association to not be forced to support the KKK with his labor.

Selling a cake to a racist is not an endorsement of his racism.

If that were not the case, then if the baker sold a plain white cake with nothing obscene on it to customer who is secretly a member of the KKK, then the baker would have just endorsed racism without his knowledge.

And if the baker was truly concerned about not supporting racists, then he would 1. survey all of his customers about their beliefs, which the baker in Colorado clearly does not, and 2. have a private club instead of a business open to the public.

What all of the free market capitalists in this conversation do not seem to understand is that the cost of having a business in America is that you have to serve all of the public. That is the law, and those are the terms to which you agree, when you pursue a license to operate a business that is open to the public.

You can shout about "forced labor" all you want. Ask the "taxation is theft" ideologues how well that defense works against not paying taxes.

I don’t really have time for a proper response right now so I’ll just say this.

I don’t like you, I honestly think you’re a ****, but I have to say I respect that you’re at least consistent with your standard of a business must serve everyone. None of that bullshit where they can only deny service for things you personally find objectionable. That makes you one of the more consistent people in the discussion.

Whoa that's really big of you. Don't hurt your back trying to suck your own cock, pepe

Are you offering to do it for him?

I’d care more about that jab if Bashar ever even had anything productive to say. Adam and Robtard make arguments, even Putinbot sometimes makes arguments. You just kinda spout hot air and one liners

There is a Special Thread now just for Bashy in the Off Topic Forum.

CAST YOUR VOTE!

Everyone put their penises away and quit the dick waving and get back to topic, please.

Originally posted by Impediment
Everyone put their penises away...

I will not.

Everyone but you.

Originally posted by BackFire
I will not.

Originally posted by Impediment
Everyone but you.

Yeah it is just a little prick ... no big THANG!!!!!!

Your mom says otherwise!

Lol! A "Mom" joke.

The classics never die.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don’t really have time for a proper response right now so I’ll just say this.

I don’t like you, I honestly think you’re a ****, but I have to say I respect that you’re at least consistent with your standard of a business must serve everyone. None of that bullshit where they can only deny service for things you personally find objectionable. That makes you one of the more consistent people in the discussion.

For example, there's a small bar and venue I like in Denver that has had a bad rap for being a haven for white supremacists of all sorts. Check out their lowest-rated Google reviews. New management wanted to change that, so they enforced a zero tolerance policy on acts of violence and bigotry, and have 86'd anyone in violation of these rules. That is perfectly fine.

It would not be ok, however, if they had refused to serve certain groups, we'll say whites or gays or even midgets, due to the owner's prejudice...

"I'll get you anything already bottled, but I'm not pouring or mixing anything for you."

...and that's exactly what the baker in Lakewood is doing.