Colorado baker is back in court over cake refusal for transitioning person

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not a solid case at all nor is that even remotely a good point.

That's just good lawyering, right there. Considering almost exactly 100% of people do not read Terms and Conditions + the lack of great online small-business retail services like Etsy.

They have Etsy and...?

Besides, how are they going to confirm that their Etsy client is Trans or gay unless they specifically indicate that in the order details?

Try the "no one reads the terms and conditions" defense in a court of law and see where it gets you.

They torpedoed their own case by agreeing to serve LGBT people in one jurisdiction then saying their "deeply-held" religious beliefs prohibit them from doing so in another jurisdiction.

Apparently, those beliefs are only deeply-held in Phoenix, but not across state and international lines.

That is why they lost, but hey, it's not good lawyering.

It is sad to see the LGBQT Community take such a ugly and militant stance with in its self all just because they have become pawns of a Political Movement.

Hate will do that to a person and a group.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Yeah there was a similar incident that happened here in Australia, a couple of months ago.

This woman took her daughter to a barber & asked him to cut her daughter's hair.

The barber explained to her that he had only cut men's hair in the 20 years he's been cutting & had no experience with women's hair.
He explained to her that being a barber was different to being a hair dresser/stylist & he wasn't confident or qualified in cutting women's hair.

The douche bag woman just happened to be a lawyer.
She cried discrimination & made an official complaint to the Dept.Of Fair Trading & then threatened to sue him in court.

The poor guy ha a nervous breakdown worried about losing his livelihood & reputation. He forked out $60,000 to hire a lawyer anticipating a court case. His family took sides saying he should've juz cut the girl's hair instead of standing up to his moral integrity...

In the end, the douche bag lawyer/mother knowing fully well that the barber had financially suffered demanded he make a public apology acknowledging that he was in the wrong for refusing to cut her daughter's hair.

While privilege douche baggery.

You're right, there are some jerks out there. This one lady harassed a store owner because he was still selling Hillary for President memorabilia, after the election, because she felt it was disrespectful to Democrats. The shopowner only saw it as stock he paid for, that he had to try and sell. Basically, the woman was the definition of a "snowflake".

The barber was probably an elderly guy, who has no clue about modern social politics, that really felt he didn't know what he was doing.

Did the mother even insist? Tell him "We'll take our chances"? Or did she jump straight to yelling discrimination?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/barber-who-refused-cut-girls-hair-accused-discrimination-876823%3famp=1

She's claiming he ever said he wasn't trained: Only that he preferred it men's only.

Could be lying. Could not be.

If she's not, he's kind of an idiot, tbh. That, or just out of time, like one's grandfather, which would get more sympathy from me.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Yeah there was a similar incident that happened here in Australia, a couple of months ago.

This woman took her daughter to a barber & asked him to cut her daughter's hair.

The barber explained to her that he had only cut men's hair in the 20 years he's been cutting & had no experience with women's hair.
He explained to her that being a barber was different to being a hair dresser/stylist & he wasn't confident or qualified in cutting women's hair.

The douche bag woman just happened to be a lawyer.
She cried discrimination & made an official complaint to the Dept.Of Fair Trading & then threatened to sue him in court.

The poor guy ha a nervous breakdown worried about losing his livelihood & reputation. He forked out $60,000 to hire a lawyer anticipating a court case. His family took sides saying he should've juz cut the girl's hair instead of standing up to his moral integrity...

In the end, the douche bag lawyer/mother knowing fully well that the barber had financially suffered demanded he make a public apology acknowledging that he was in the wrong for refusing to cut her daughter's hair.

While privilege douche baggery.

That ****ing sucks. Hope his lively good wasn’t completely ruined becuse of that ****.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Try the "no one reads the terms and conditions" defense in a court of law and see where it gets you.

They torpedoed their own case by agreeing to serve LGBT people in one jurisdiction then saying their "deeply-held" religious beliefs prohibit them from doing so in another jurisdiction.

Apparently, those beliefs are only deeply-held in Phoenix, but not across state and international lines.

That is why they lost, but hey, it's not good lawyering.

I think you didn't read my post.

Here, this is the important part:

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's just good lawyering, right there.

It's time you know, DDM, no one reads your posts.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's time you know, DDM, no one reads your posts.

Nearly spit out my hot chocolate that time.

To be fair to us, it was my partner Brush who didn’t wanna do the artwork. I was a-ok with it.

Colorado and Baker End Fight Over Whether He Can Be Forced To Make a Transgender Cake

It's a start 👆

Originally posted by BackFire
It's time you know, DDM, no one reads your posts.

Originally posted by Surtur
Colorado and Baker End Fight Over Whether He Can Be Forced To Make a Transgender Cake

It's a start 👆

While that case was making its way up the courts, a transgender attorney contacted Phillips claiming she wanted to have a custom cake made to celebrate her identity, saying she wanted one with a blue exterior and pink interior.

Phillips also has religious objections to recognizing transgender identities, and so

he declined to make the cake. The lawyer, Autumn Scardina, filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, who went after Phillips again. Phillips responded with a lawsuit of his own, arguing that the state was targeting him because of his religious beliefs.

Transgender attorney wants a cake made to celebrate transgression from the baker infamous for not wanting to makw a cake to celebrate a gay wedding.

Tell me that isn't odd as hell, If not outright suspicious.

Why should a baker be forced to do something which he/it doesn't want to? This is outrageous.

This is both good and bad. It's good for the baker, but it's bad in the sense that no real answer was reached, which means this same group can target others in the future for similar things. Especially since it's been made quite clear people are willing to go and try to make an example of these businesses once they find out the beliefs of the owners. That's exactly what the tranny lawyer did.

Could be.

The intent could also have been to force a "test case", and get a different decision. Instead, we got an example of the limits on what the law requires, which apparently preclude "signaling".

If I'm right, and they want to be dicks about it, they could always go back and ask for a plain white/dark cake.

Originally posted by cdtm
Could be.

The intent could also have been to force a "test case", and get a different decision. Instead, we got an example of the limits on what the law requires, which apparently preclude "signaling".

If I'm right, and they want to be dicks about it, they could always go back and ask for a plain white/dark cake.

I think they'll probably pick a new target cuz if they keep targeting the same guy it seems like harassment.

Also gay marriage wasn't even legal in Colorado at the time the gay couple first tried to get a cake made.

As for the tranny, if it's okay to refuse service to someone cuz they are wearing a MAGA hat then it's okay to refuse to serve a dude cuz he's wearing a dress.

Also this article shows their views against his religion didn't change:

After More Evidence Of Its Anti-Christian Animus, Colorado Commission Suspends Harassment Of Cake Baker

"As the second case progressed through six and a half years of Jack’s life, more evidence of the commissioners’ anti-religion sentiment became public. Approximately three months ago, one of the commissioners called up a Colorado state representative, saying he or she was scared to publicly tell the truth that the other commissioners were prejudiced against Jack’s faith.

“During the call, that commissioner said that they believe there is anti-religious bias on the Commission,” wrote state Rep. Dave Williams in a sworn statement under penalty of perjury. “Also during the call, the commissioner expressed a willingness to speak publicly about this anti-religious bias, but feared what might happen if they did.”

Then ADF attorneys found current commissioners publicly agreeing with 2015 comments from commissioner Dianne Rice that compared Jack’s Christianity to the ideologies motivating slavery and the Holocaust. Rice’s comments were specifically singled out by the Supreme Court as evidence of the commission’s bias."

Another cake stand-off in Colorado—this time about a transgender celebration cake—appears to be coming to an end, with both sides agreeing to walk away. -snip

Shame really, as it's been said: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -JFK circa late 1700's

This will only embolden the baker criminal in his criminal acts.

Originally posted by Robtard
Another cake stand-off in Colorado—this time about a transgender celebration cake—appears to be coming to an end, with both sides agreeing to walk away. -snip

Shame really, as it's been said: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -JFK circa late 1700's

This will only embolden the baker criminal in his criminal acts.

I'm still shocked that a state the size of Colorado only has one bakery.

What if it's a guy in a dress and MAGA hat?