Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Total Warrior
^ https://www.looper.com/180401/emperor-palpatines-plan-in-the-rise-of-skywalker-explained/ this article pretty much sums up everything

Under A Secret Desire:

Palpatine knows he wouldnt be able to kill the young scavenger

But Kylo was able to kill her and only stopped by Leia... So Palpatine foresaw that? Then he foresaw Kylo would redeem himself?

It literally makes no sense for Palps to tell Kylo to kill Rey. Because dont tell me there wasnt even one foreseeable future where he succeeded.

He also asked Rey to kill him revealing his plans for absolutely no reason. When He could have just goaded her into killing him.

In my opinion, there was never a scenario where Kylo or Rey would have actually usurped Palpatine. Not really.

First scenario: Kylo kills Rey > Kylo confronts Palpatine > Palpatine goads Kylo into striking him down > Palpatine's spirit hops into Kylo > Palpatine now controls Kylo's body.

Second scenario: Kylo doesn't kill Rey > Rey confronts Palpatine > Palpatine goads Rey into striking him down > Palpatine's spirit hops into Rey > Palpatine now controls Rey's body.

Final scenario: Palpatine discovers that Rey and Kylo are a dyad in the Force > Palpatine absorbs their energy > Palpatine's body and health are restored > Palpatine alone will rule as "the one, true, Emperor!"

You think there's a chance Palps could still be alive in some form after IX?

I think so. I don't see how his death was any more final in this film than when he fell and blew up in ROTJ. He's only dead until another movie comes out and says he's not.

Well the occultists apparently retrieved his body from the Death Star. Whilst here there was no body left to retrieve.

But thats just stupid as hell that there was a body left for them to retrieve. So whatever. Im with you.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well the occultists apparently retrieved his body from the Death Star. Whilst here there was no body left to retrieve.

But thats just stupid as hell that there was a body left for them to retrieve. So whatever. Im with you.

I wonder, if Palps could survive the 2nd DS, hell why not Tarkin could survive the 1st?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You think there's a chance Palps could still be alive in some form after IX?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I wonder, if Palps could survive the 2nd DS, hell why not Tarkin could survive the 1st?

Originally posted by ares834
(assuming the Trevarrow scripts are even true).

Hes Confirmed they are legit:

https://www.gamesradar.com/amp/star-wars-episode-9-duel-of-the-fates-colin-trevorrow-confirmation/

Let's watch this scene again:

YouTube video

😂

Palps afterwards:

^ Not to mention he was thrown into the reactor by Vader, and we see the explosion of him hitting it.

So yeah they can bring Tarkin back too 👆

Tarkin was #2 in command. Snoke was #2 in command.

Tarkin was Palpatine's puppet. Snoke was Palpatine's puppet.

Tarkin was on the Death Star when Luke destroyed it. Luke was implied to have given Snoke his injuries.

Tarkin had blue eyes. Snoke had blue eyes.

Dots are connecting here... mmm

Originally posted by Galan007
Tarkin was #2 in command. Snoke was #2 in command.

Tarkin was Palpatine's puppet. Snoke was Palpatine's puppet.

Tarkin was on the Death Star when Luke destroyed it. Luke was implied to have given Snoke his injuries.

Tarkin had blue eyes. Snoke had blue eyes.

Dots are connecting here... mmm

....Now I kinda wish this was true.

Can you even ****ing imagine if that ended up being the case?? 😂

Originally posted by Zenwolf
....Now I kinda wish this was true.

Same.

All great villains from Moriaty to Palps never die!

I think it's safe to say Palpatine won't come back. We actually see his body disintegrate in TROS. In ROTJ, we don't actually see what the explosion did to his body...not until TROS, that is.

But we do?

https://youtu.be/UhDtFnpNOfE?t=118

Seems to me his body was destroyed right there.

By all common sense his body would be completely disintegrated in ROTJ. Not only did we see the explosion of him hitting the reactor core, but the Death Star blew up after that!

But Dominis means we didnt specifically see his body disintegrate. I guess its plausible he put up some kind of forcefield around his body.

Thing is, RoS Palpatine was not fully dependent on a physical body, as he specifically said that his SPIRIT(and power) would transfer into Rey after she struck him down.

So to perma-kill Palpatine, it seems like you would need to destroy that metaphysical component of his being as well... And as of now, there is no proof that Rey redirecting Palpatine's lightning and destroying his physical body did that. /shrug

Originally posted by Zenwolf
But we do?

https://youtu.be/UhDtFnpNOfE?t=118

Seems to me his body was destroyed right there.

Not really. Not only was he too far down for us to see, but his body was completely engulfed by the explosion, making it impossible to know what damage it caused.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
By all common sense his body would be completely disintegrated in ROTJ. Not only did we see the explosion of him hitting the reactor core, but the Death Star blew up after that!

But Dominis means we didnt specifically see his body disintegrate. I guess its plausible he put up some kind of forcefield around his body.

From a strict real world perspective hardly anything in SW makes common sense. Plus it's not like surviving things like an explosion is unprecedented in SW, although Palpatine was killed.

Even in RL, a person's body doesn't always completely disintegrate in an explosion. Sometimes their bodies can just be left shattered, even in big chunks, and that seems to be the case with Sidious. His body was messed up, with parts missing: his lower half (seemingly), his fingers, etc.

As for the death star, there were large pieces of it still intact.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thing is, RoS Palpatine was not fully dependent on a physical body, as he specifically said that his SPIRIT(and power) would transfer into Rey after she struck him down.

So to perma-kill Palpatine, it seems like you would need to destroy that metaphysical component of his being as well... And as of now, there is no proof that Rey redirecting Palpatine's lightning and destroying his physical body did that. /shrug

I've not read a lot of the extended ROS material(other than what you and others have posted), but didn't the movie seem to imply that his spirit can only leave his body by latching onto another who embraces their hate by striking him down? Otherwise he seemed pretty stuck with his broken down body and doomed without it, which is why he needed Snoke to carry out his plans.