Perhaps I am prejudiced against Incels. Incels, lets talk.

Yesterday a couple of members noted I seem to have a problem with Incels. I don't like the possibility I'm prejudiced but on reflection perhaps I am. So, Incels, Incel supporters and closet incels help me out. Should Incel for example be on the sexual spectrum. It's involuntary and not a choice, isn't it? But is anyone's sexuality voluntary. Heterosexuals are driven by hormones, socialisation and genetics, other sexualities have no choice either, gays do not choose to be gay. An Incel is not a monk, an incel isn't choosing to be unable to sleep with women...or is he?
Are incels actually completely in control and have decided not to breed. Do Incels see themselves as inferior and use their hands as their girlfriend because they can't socially interact. Incels of the forums, Incel supporters etc. help me out. Why do you Incels make my skin crawl?

So even though I'm not an incel, incel supporter or closet incel, I'm about to give you some honest feedback that isn't intended as a personal attack.

1. It seems like you use that as something of a reductive explanation for some of the people who hold different opinions than you or oppose modern feminism and the modern social justice movement in order to undermine these positions without addressing them. When you throw the term around it seems more like an unfounded ad hominem than a discussion about the actual phenomenon, and I don't think most of the people criticizing modern progressivism are doing so because they think the SJWs are keeping them from getting laid. Most of the criticism of modern progressivism I've seen relates to either an individualist point of principle, or a free speech/thought point of principle. For me personally that is the case.

And just to be fair and honest, I'll admit to being a virgin, though I wouldn't consider myself a sexually frustrated incel. My own interests lie more in the direction of an emotionally intimate relationship than casual sex. I'm a religious guy whose very passionate about my values and so a woman I would actually want to build that kind of relationship with would be someone with similar enough values and with an actual interest in discussing things of that nature, I love discussing that shit. On top of that I'm also a stoner, so they'd have to not be immediately turned off by that, I can be rather eccentric in real life which some might find offputting, and I'd need to have reasonably decent chemistry with her as well. As such there are plenty of women I find attractive, but only a few I'd actually be interested in pursuing a relationship with. I've set a certain standard on who I'm willing to share myself with, and I'm willing to accept the consequences of that. I'm fine waiting for the right person and until then my left hand will do.

I should note though that I've personally never felt offended by the term incel as if it speaks to something about me, as I don't really consider myself a sexually frustrated person. I just mentioned all that for the sake of honest transparency and to show I'm serious about providing honest feedback and not just attacking you.

2. There's just something about your fixation with incels that seems like you're punching down in a manner of speaking, like you're weirdly focused on attacking a group of people that have hit a certain rock bottom in a manner of speaking, even if it's their own fault, which can come off as kinda delighting in other people's problems in life. It's also just not really a response that serves as anything of a solution to the problem. If their issues are rooted in sexual frustration and a lack of social skills, than further ostracizing them just seems like it would be something that would exacerbate the problem.

As for why they make your skin crawl well that's an easy one. Whiny entitlement and bitterness aren't exactly admirable traits for a person to possess, much less for a community or ideology to be centered around. It comes across as pathetic, and as reflective of a certain weakness in moral character, which could understandably evoke feelings of disgust in people, especially if these are traits exhibited by grown men. It's not that there isn't legitimate criticism of them, believe me there is, it just seems like you have a disproportionately odd level of contempt for them and fixation with them.

As for straight men voluntarily choosing to not have sex with women for reasons other than religious, that's MGTOW and that's kinda it's own thing.

The problem people have with incels isn't that they are lonely and pathetic men, or that they've hit rock bottom, it's because they feel entitled to women, they are bitter, and they are not humble about their failings, often blaming all but themselves in very aggressive ways. If they were humble about the fact that they can't get laid or that women don't like them, people would react much better and with more sympathy, but they do nothing to garner said sympathy, and many seem to flat reject it. Plus many legitimately think women should be assigned to them as property by the government because of their inability to get women on their own. Frankly, people who believe such things, even if it's because of otherwise sad circumstantial failings, should be ostracized, attacked, shunned and put down as much as possible. They don't deserve respect or dignity.

What I dislike about Incel narrative is that people tend to link lack of sex with fragile masculinity issues that honestly have little to do with it. It feeds into the preconceived notion that sex is a must have commodity and by insisting on it so much you are creating a frustration and feeding it.

Macho overcompensating men can also live shallow sex-fueled lives with no attachment or whatsoever, no love or respect for women etc. and in my eyes those aren't any better than incels but don't get a fraction of the flak the others get

Originally posted by BackFire
The problem people have with incels isn't that they are lonely and pathetic men, or that they've hit rock bottom, it's because they feel entitled to women, they are bitter, and they are not humble about their failings, often blaming all but themselves in very aggressive ways.

Originally posted by BackFire
If they were humble about the fact that they can't get laid or that women don't like them, people would react much better and with more sympathy, but they do nothing to garner said sympathy, and many seem to flat reject it. Plus many legitimately think women should be assigned to them as property by the government because of their inability to get women on their own. Frankly, people who believe such things, even if it's because of otherwise sad circumstantial failings, should be ostracized, attacked, shunned and put down as much as possible. They don't deserve respect or dignity.

Again no part of what I said was meant to be a defense of what the incel community or whatever believes.

They have to want to be reformed and redeemed, it can't be forced, and many don't seem to seek it. Instead, they intentionally slam doors on pregnant women in stores and laugh about it. People who do those types of things are too far gone to waste time giving any kind of empathy. If an incel actually works to improve themselves and to become reformed, then, by all means, they should be given the opportunity. If not, they can go play in traffic, they don't deserve to be coddled.

Originally posted by BackFire
They have to want to be reformed and redeemed, it can't be forced, and many don't seem to seek it. Instead, they intentionally slam doors on pregnant women in stores and laugh about it. People who do those types of things are too far gone to waste time giving any kind of empathy. If an incel actually works to improve themselves and to become reformed, then, by all means, they should be given the opportunity. If not, they can go play in traffic, they don't deserve to be coddled.

Originally posted by Emperordmb

1. It seems like you use that as something of a reductive explanation for some of the people who hold different opinions than you or oppose modern feminism and the modern social justice movement in order to undermine these positions without addressing them. When you throw the term around it seems more like an unfounded ad hominem than a discussion about the actual phenomenon, and I don't think most of the people criticizing modern progressivism are doing so because they think the SJWs are keeping them from getting laid. Most of the criticism of modern progressivism I've seen relates to either an individualist point of principle, or a free speech/thought point of principle. For me personally that is the case.

^Bingo. Hit the nail on the head really. "Incel" has now become like the term "alt right". It's not a term one self applies and then others note, it's a term hurled by one person at someone else they disagree with.

Originally posted by Surtur
^Bingo. Hit the nail on the head really. "Incel" has now become like the term "alt right". It's not a term one self applies and then others note, it's a term hurled by one person at someone else they disagree with.

Originally posted by Bentley

Macho overcompensating men can also live shallow sex-fueled lives with no attachment or whatsoever, no love or respect for women etc. and in my eyes those aren't any better than incels but don't get a fraction of the flak the others get

I wonder if my prejudice towatds incels is political, because only rightists seem to be incels.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Surt, you are very defensive of male issues as you see them. I'm not talking about incel as a term of abuse I'm talking about the incel mindset. Could you help me out here, help me to understand the Incel mentality, why they are so angry with women? Why they post this anger online?

Yeah see you completely dodged the valid point that was raised and kinda proved my point: you aren't capable of correctly identifying incels lol. Which makes your obsession with them all the more strange.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I've never met a guy like that.

They see themselves as players, you are lucky to never have seen one of these guys as they are toxic sh_theads that pretend to be nice.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I wonder if my prejudice towatds incels is political, because only rightists seem to be incels.

You could be onto something. We know you hate the right and since you've deluded yourself into believing incels only exist on the right...of course you'd be prejudice.

An Incel should learn to treat women the way other men treat his mother.

Pay them for sex.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
An Incel should learn to treat women the way other men treat his mother.

Pay them for sex.

An incel should learn that fatties need love too.

Originally posted by Surtur
You could be onto something. We know you hate the right and since you've deluded yourself into believing incels only exist on the right...of course you'd be prejudice.

Originally posted by Surtur
You could be onto something. We know you hate the right and since you've deluded yourself into believing incels only exist on the right...of course you'd be prejudice.

Since the (american) left is totally fascinated with identity issues at the moment there is a lack of historical awareness of left-leaning practices that included homophobic and intolerant behavior in the past. Those kind of beliefs and the groups that hold them didn't suddenly turn into alt-right despite what some progressists might say.

Originally posted by Bentley
They see themselves as players, you are lucky to never have seen one of these guys as they are toxic sh_theads that pretend to be nice.

Originally posted by Surtur
An incel should learn that fatties need love too.

Plenty fat hookers out there.