The Great Wall Shutdown

Anyone that participates in this thread, please be composed, objective and nonpartisan.

Since we are shut down over this wall, the Dems don't want to give Trump any border wall funding because they don't want to cave.

Trump wants the wall because it was a campaign promise.

Regardless of what side your own, let's discuss the actual wall.

Why are you for or against it, present your argument in a rational fashion.

Please leave out nonstarters as it "costs too much, or it's immoral." The US has spent far more on dumb things with less impact than $5 billion on a wall. And the US has done for more immoral things like running guns to Mexican drug cartels.

Nvrmnd, i thought this was about THE Great Wall.

Horrible movie. 👇

I rather liked it.

I have yet to actually received a legit reason why there should be no wall.

People against the wall claims its immoral and racist. How? Mexico has a wall, and we don’t claimed them to be immoral. So why does us having a wall immoral?

The pope I think claimed something similar, yet you don’t see him breaking down the wall that surrounds the Vatican and allowing everyone to enter.

I also hear, well, about the border thats on the ocean, are we to be built a wall on the water too? That is such asinine logic.

Having a wall is another way to protect our country. It would cut down on illegals and drug movements. Yes the criminals would find a way around the wall, but it will be far easier for us to combat them if we know their new point of entry is limited to a certain point.

Also, the dems and the people that are saying walls are bad, forgets they live in houses which they lock everyday their not around, and if someone where to come in without consent, they would call the cops and report trespassing.

I'm in favor of a wall if we could build an effective one that won't cost an astronomical amount of money.

Drug movements happen in the billions of dollars and historically they’ll just dig under it, coyotes will find alternate routes, and drug profits aren’t affected at all

Trump is a retard though and so long as he gives his donor buddies government contracts to build it nothing will change

^perfrct example of the type of posting I asked you not to.

Environmental impact of a wall is something to be considered. People agent the only things living on This planet

Calling Trump a retard because he wants to secure he’s country’s border?

So I guess the Emperor Of China was a retard too for building the Great Wall to stop the Monguls invasion?

Or the Vatican?

Or every walls that were build to protect one’s on country in the last 1000 years?

So I guess you’re also a retard for living in a house with walls and locked doors? Since according to your logic, if a criminal wants access to your house, they’ll find a way?

Originally posted by truejedi
Environmental impact of a wall is something to be considered. People agent the only things living on This planet

I call bullshit. What environmental considerations are those? What environmental impact did the Great Wall have on the Earth?

Https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/energy-and-environment/2017/4/10/14471304/trump-border-wall-animals

And more than animals, what about the idea of putting a man made wall in previously pristine environments?

I'm also against a wall because I'm not against letting refugees into the country..

Originally posted by carthage
Drug movements happen in the billions of dollars and historically they’ll just dig under it, coyotes will find alternate routes, and drug profits aren’t affected at all

Trump is a retard though and so long as he gives his donor buddies government contracts to build it nothing will change

Your right.

A wall won't work, unless it has guard towers. With armed men, of course.

If you're going to turn the border into a prison, do it right.

I can understand some practical criticism of the wall or spending that much money on it.

It's the moral outrage over it that I can't understand, it seems really autistic and makes me think some of the democrats are morally opposed to stopping illegal immigration.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I can understand some practical criticism of the wall or spending that much money on it.

It's the moral outrage over it that I can't understand, it seems really autistic and makes me think some of the democrats are morally opposed to stopping illegal immigration.

Politicians seem to follow along with whatever the news is doing, and "refugees" vs "invaders" is the current trend.

I mean, it would be nice to talk about helping refugees, and stop human trafficking, child prostitution, and indentured servitude, and have some degree of security, as if these weren't partisan issues.

Who really wants to leave people to death squads? And who thinks kidnapped people don't deserve help?

- It would be extremely expensive in a time where all arrows point toward an oncoming economic downturn.

- Republicans claim to be the party of small government that hates frivolous government spending and constantly complains about all the money "wasted" on programs like welfare, low-income housing, medicaid etc, but its spokesmen are advocating for a project that will balloon government spending for years.

- Arguments for the wall actually doing something is shaky at best. Something like 80% of illegal immigrants enter the country by entering legally via work visas, vacation etc and then staying once their allowed visitation time ends. So you're asking for a solution that might have minimal effect on the problem while having a high cost.

I'm in favour of the wall. It will force all the smugglers and sneaks to develop their skills and hone their border-crossing abilities. Like a negligent overuse of antibiotics, this extremely expensive border decoration will create a species of SUPER illegal immigrants, who can evade and hide from the authorities with an enhanced understanding of subterfuge and fence-dodging. A master race of criminals who sneak into the U.S. while all eyes are on the Aggro Wall.

The wall will essentially just be a $20+ billion symbol (the wall won't cost $5 billion) to the rest of the world, it has no practical use and will be ineffective at securing the border. It serves no function on its own, and is easily defeated by a $40 ladder, or other means. DDM has made various posts and provided a good deal of evidence as to why the wall won't be effective, showing how easy it will be for people to go over it or under it, thus, the only way it actually improves border security is if there is an increase in border agents to guard it, but an increase in border agents alone would also improve border security by probably the same amount. As such, I'd much rather money be spent on hiring more and better border agents, and supplying them with improved training, tech and tools to protect the border. The wall itself is pointless and stupid.

Besides, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for it?

Originally posted by BackFire
The wall will essentially just be a $20+ billion symbol (the wall won't cost $5 billion) to the rest of the world, it has no practical use and will be ineffective at securing the border. It serves no function on its own, and is easily defeated by a $40 ladder, or other means. DDM has made various posts and provided a good deal of evidence as to why the wall won't be effective, showing how easy it will be for people to go over it or under it, thus, the only way it actually improves border security is if there is an increase in border agents to guard it, but an increase in border agents alone would also improve border security by probably the same amount. As such, I'd much rather money be spent on hiring more and better border agents, and supplying them with improved training, tech and tools to protect the border. The wall itself is pointless and stupid.

Besides, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for it?

Mexico was, indeed, supposed to pay for it.

In Trumps defense, I don't think it's in his nature to consider that someone will ever say "No. Whatcha gonna do about it?" And that there wouldn't actually be a damned thing he can do about it.

Yes, I agree, Trump's an idiot.