Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I will bite, and as this is a debate site, I will try and do so without insults or trolling.1. With Mera - Hulk powers through attacks because his enemies (ArmCheddon, Surfer etc) try to drain his gamma energy. Mera drains water - so unless there is a scan of Hulk making more water the angrier he gets, we can't just apply the words 'resists draining' across everything. [b]Mera wins
2. Metamorpho doesn't become energy. He is still physical mass (even if that mass is now in gaseous form). So 'absorption' doesn't work. Metamorpho wins/stalemate
3. Not quite true. Black Ant survived pretty well here:
So no, adamantium isn't the only thing. And no one talks about shrinking Hulk, so not sure why Goom's scan is relevant.Stalemate
4. Firestorm can change the entire area, not just Hulk. Really, he's Metamorpho but amped. He can phase through physical attacks.
Firestorm wins [/B]
He just powers through it because he can not internally be affected. People have tried and failed. Messing with the fluids in Hulks body will do nothing but piss him off. Also, name the most powerful person this has worked on.
Metamorpho cant do anything to Hulk. Turning into gas etc... won't affect him. He gets absorbed. Like I said, Hulk rage would be Meto downfall. Vision almost died going inside of Hulk due to how powerful Hulk physical form is...
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Ant couldnt affect him either and I'm talking about currently where it was outright said by Doc Green that nothing can survive in his body minus adamantium.
Firestorm can change the entire area but he would have to fight completely out of character to win this. I'm talking about phasing while attack (unsure if he can do this). If he can achieve that, then he can beat Hulk via bfr. If he is just changing the environment while remaining physical, Hulk leaps at him and puts him to sleep.
Originally posted by carver9
He just powers through it because he can not internally be affected. People have tried and failed. Messing with the fluids in Hulks body will do nothing but piss him off. Also, name the most powerful person this has worked on.
Does he have internal liquids? Yes. He bleeds, he spits, etc. Can he control it? No.
Can she? Yes.
It's as simple as that. You want to imply that 'powerful' characters can resist it, or power through it - but to do that, they need to be able to control their internal liquids. If you can't show it, then they can't. It's not a willpower thing - you're basically arguing that if Wolverine cuts Hulk, for example, Hulk can power through and will his blood to flow back into his cuts. Which doesn't happen, obviously.
What DOES happen, is that he heals from it. And obviously produces more blood from somewhere. But he doesn't 'power through' slashes in the same way.
Metamorpho cant do anything to Hulk. Turning into gas etc... won't affect him. He gets absorbed. Like I said, Hulk rage would be Meto downfall. Vision almost died going inside of Hulk due to how powerful Hulk physical form is...https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244529/4854064-2482839-30746c2b7d_ga.jpeg
Ant couldnt affect him either and I'm talking about currently where it was outright said by Doc Green that nothing can survive in his body minus adamantium.
Firestorm can change the entire area but he would have to fight completely out of character to win this. I'm talking about phasing while attack (unsure if he can do this). If he can achieve that, then he can beat Hulk via bfr. If he is just changing the environment while remaining physical, Hulk leaps at him and puts him to sleep.
Originally posted by cdtm
What ways has he evolved to avoid drowning, that would work with a lung full of water.
he can survive drowning, in theory, because his body is able to adapt ways to allow him to breathe even when his lungs are full. it would surprise the sh!t out of him though, and hurt, and take some time to adapt. it would be effective, i just don't think she could kill him that way. i guess this argument COULD be extended to dehydration as well. it's possible to SUPPOSE his body might adapt to ways to deal with it, but that really gets into super-senses territory. 👆
i'm just not sure how his healing factor would handle the dehydration. i think it would allow him to last long enough to ko her IF he still needs water in his enraged state. /shrug
Originally posted by DarkSaint85But he cannot control the fluids in his body. Mera can. It's nothing to do with power levels - it's a power SET thing.
Does he have internal liquids? Yes. He bleeds, he spits, etc. Can he control it? No.
Can she? Yes.
It's as simple as that. You want to imply that 'powerful' characters can resist it, or power through it - but to do that, they need to be able to control their internal liquids. If you can't show it, then they can't. It's not a willpower thing - you're basically arguing that if Wolverine cuts Hulk, for example, Hulk can power through and will his blood to flow back into his cuts. Which doesn't happen, obviously.
What DOES happen, is that he heals from it. And obviously produces more blood from somewhere. But he doesn't 'power through' slashes in the same way.
You keep thinking that Rex is...energy. Or a spirit. He's not. Neither is he phasing like Vision. He's literally sentient nitrogen gas, or whatever.
That version of Hulk was also affected by toxic gas, so if you want to use that version, he doesn't even get past Rex.
CIS is off. Besides, he has affected the area before, so even if CIS was NOT off, he has still done so - so it is within his character. [/B]
Can you show scans of her doing this please?
How is Rex beating Hulk?
The scene that you're talking about, Hulk was weakened.
If all he is doing is affecting the area then he dies. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Or just let out blasts like these:
If it can KO Black Adam and a hugely amped Kalibak, it will certainly have an effect on Hulk. 👆
Just like Hercules (who pushed planet weight) and Thor/Jane had an effect on Hu... oops, they didnt. He brushed off their attacks as if they were nothing. Knocking out Adam and Kalibak (lol) is a nice ft but it changes nothing here. Firestorm would need to do something extremely exotic to win this.
Originally posted by carver9
Can you show scans of her doing this please?How is Rex beating Hulk?
The scene that you're talking about, Hulk was weakened.
If all he is doing is affecting the area then he dies. 🙂
Rex can stalemate at worst. Beat? That's very iffy.
That Hulk was able to beat teleportation, which current Hulk as of Immortal Hulk #11 cannot do.
So if THAT Hulk, whilst weakened, is still more powerful than Immortal Hulk. And he was gassed.
Firestorm do so as intangible, btw.
Originally posted by carver9You're suggesting that Hulk is just going to tank a blast capable of KO'ing Black Adam and amped Kalibak(for a point of reference, this Kalibak was SO amped that he was casually ragdolling Orion in the same issue)..? Lol, that's rich.
Just like Hercules (who pushed planet weight) and Thor/Jane had an effect on Hu... oops, they didnt. He brushed off their attacks as if they were nothing. Knocking out Adam and Kalibak (lol) is a nice ft but it changes nothing here. Firestorm would need to do something extremely exotic to win this.
...But even IF Hulk could endure such a blast, what's stopping FS from spamming them?
Originally posted by Galan007
You're suggesting that Hulk is just going to tank a blast capable of KO'ing Black Adam and amped Kalibak(for a point of reference, this Kalibak was SO amped that he was casually ragdolling Orion in the same issue)..? Lol, that's rich....But even IF Hulk could endure such a blast, what's stopping FS from spamming them?
Him screaming "aaaaahhhhh" and then saying "what was that" is proof enough for me to believe he isn't spamming anything. Its debatable if he even knows how to repeat it if we are basing it entirely off of that scan. I think Hulk would heal completely fine IF he is able to hurt him.
Originally posted by carver9
Him screaming "aaaaahhhhh" and then saying "what was that" is proof enough for me to believe he isn't spamming anything. Its debatable if he even knows how to repeat it if we are basing it entirely off of that scan. I think Hulk would heal completely fine IF he is able to hurt him.
Where does he scream against Kalibak?
