Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. We have no clue if it took Blue Gogeta”s full power to defeat Broly, the likely answer is “absolutely not”2. We know that at the moment Broly is capped at being somewhere in the range of Beerus, though “probably” stronger
3. There is no evidence Blue Gogeta is “right below Whis level,” truth be told Whis would probably embarrass Gogeta
4. FP Jiren is in the same tier as and possibly surpassing the Gods of Destruction, Beerus/Quitela included, and LB Jiren can just about oneshot/completely annihilate FP Jiren.
1. Correct, he wasnt anywhere close. We dont even know what his limit is but he wasnt even close to it.
2. Correct, we could see he stopped closing the gap.
3. Its up for debate. Gogeta is clearly insane levels of power. I think he was put one tier below Whis, but I still think Whis can one shot.
4. Yes
We just interpret the information at hand differently, is all.
I believe Beerus, MUI Goku, and LB Jiren are all in the same general tier of power... I just think Beerus would nudge them out in a fight. A very hard-earned fight.
I also think FPSSJ Broly would defeat Beerus rather soundly, because I believe the intent is that he is the most powerful being they've yet encountered. /shrug
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hold your ground Damborg. You were right originally. 🙂We saw Broly reach his limit twice during that fight without some random, forced jump. Before he went Ikari he had reached his limit, And against SSJB in Ikari he had reached his limit without Frieza murdering Peragus. Who's to say that Broly didn't reach his limit in LSSJ in the fight against Gogeta, thus limiting him at that level, (which, imo, is below that of LB Jiren)?
And besides, I think the spirit of the thread is to refer to FPSSJ Broly at the level he reached, not what level he could reach.
I only think Broly could win this if he's still jumping in power during the fight, since that seemed to be his schtick and I kind of ignored it.
If it's just his level at the end where he finally goes LSSJ, I'd still give the nod to Jiren, yeah.
Originally posted by Galan007
We just interpret the information at hand differently, is all.I believe Beerus, MUI Goku, and LB Jiren are all in the same general tier of power... I just think Beerus would nudge them out in a fight. A very hard-earned fight.
I also think FPSSJ Broly would defeat Beerus rather soundly, because I believe the intent is that he is the most powerful being they've yet encountered. /shrug
By how much do you think MUI gaps UI?
Would it be enough to Bridge the gap between beerus and has Goku in a hypothetical MUI Goku vs UI beerus fight?
Originally posted by Genii96Impossible to say.
By how much do you think MUI gaps UI?
Would it be enough to Bridge the gap between beerus and has Goku in a hypothetical MUI Goku vs UI beerus fight?
We know Beerus can use a version of UI, but he hasn't fully mastered it yet. His UI could be 99.9% mastered, or it could be 20% mastered. We don't know.
What we do know is that Beerus' UI was good enough to give him a definitive edge in h2h against ALL of the other GoDs initially, which says quite a bit about it. Tack that onto his sheer power output(because Jiren showed us that raw power alone can close the MUI gap), and that's essentially why I think Beerus still beats them... Aside from the other shit I've mentioned ad nauseum.