Originally posted by Senor Cage
Fantomex's thought process is a lot slower. In a forum match, they'd be toast.
But how can she do it when Parasite is draining her? Remember, you said he started the fight by AoE draining....and she starts the match being closer to him than Fantomex.
Then you have to prove that Fantomex's powers depend on his thoughts.
Where are the scans of n52 Parasite starting fights with a massive AoE attack when his team mates are near?
Originally posted by Senor Cage
It's not like Parasite hasn't absorbed psychic energy before. He overloaded, yes, but Brainiac's power (even a portion of it) is beyond Psylocke's.Shouldn't use Pied Piper's example, as he uses the Anti-Life equation, IIRC.
I wasn't suggesting Psylocke would overload him. I'm pointing out that Parasite drained a comatose victim who couldn't attack him. I don't think anyone in current continuity has even attacked him psychically yet.(?) Additionally, we know that Parasite's abilities are limited by proximity.
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It's not the same as Psylocke, who is standing .5 km away per the forum rules, making him take a nap.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
BTW, Psylocke ordering Parasite to sleep won't stop Parasite from absorbing energy, since he can still absorb energy while unconscious.
Originally posted by shiv
FYIIn that scan Cheetah has the speed to close the distance between herself and The Kryptonian faster than Superman or Wonder Woman can Think, Act or React, Deliver A Little Speech, Bite Superman, Sink Her Teeth Right In His Super Dense Invulnerable Neck, Draw Blood, Snarl and make a Clean Getaway all in the time it takes WW (who is no slouch herself) to say 1 word.
Geezus People Let Fantomex Die Already.
No she hasn't you're just saying that. All cheetah did was move faster than Superman could react WW had time to react and saw what was happening. WW was talking before Cheetah had finished biting Supermans neck, so clearly Fantomex will have time to react.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Fantomex's thought process is a lot slower. In a forum match, they'd be toast.
Theres no proof. How fast can she run?
Fantomex's powers almost certainly are a casted ability though. I've addressed this in other threads, but part of the brilliance of Remender-era(Morrison too) Fantomex was that he messes with the perceptions of the reader as much as the characters in the story. Remender didn't show Fantomex cast every time because we're supposed to be drawn into the ruse ourselves. We're supposed to go "Oh shit! Shadow King made Wolverine kill Fantomex! The Horsemen took out X-Force! It's over!", then smirk as we realize that Fantomex duped us just like everyone else. It's a narrative device used for excitement/suspense. It's one of the flaws of isolated battleboard scans. Fantomex, especially from that run, is hard to separate from the context of the story he was in. You really have to read the entire narrative sequence to understand it. It's not as simple as Deadpool decapitating someone.
We've seen him cast it enough to know that's how it works though, even if we don't get shown the ability every time. When it fails, we see Fantomex standing their with his hand out casting it. We've literally seen him speak the illusion into existence multiple times, and he's been in too many situations where an autocast is simply implausible. Take AoA Iceman warning Fantomex not to try it, since he won't be able to locate his mind for it work anyway. It's clearly something Fantomex does consciously.
Now, maybe some think Fantomex can get off the misdirect before Cheetah closes in on them, but that's a different thing. I disagree obviously, but I find it more reasonable than Fantomex having a passive misdirection aura.
Originally posted by shiv
Parasite has trained and worked with Cheetah, Manta, Deathstroke and Deadshot.He'll Drain The Field Without Draining His Teammates
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Shes faster than Flash and WW. Shes pretty fast.
Er I don't think so somehow. So shes Faster Than Light is she? She's so fast she can travel back in time? She on a similar levle to Zoom now?
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Seeing as Superman reacted to Flash, that's a lot faster than Fantomex can think.
And Deathstroke has reacted to Flash. So Deathstroke is faster than Flash? Use some common sense please. I'm also getting the impression that Cheetah jumped Superman, like they were in a forest somewhere and she burst out of nowhere.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Parasite would need to Target him.And in doing so, would likely target his team mates instead.
Like so:He's badly injured here, btw.
Parasite has never targeted any power he simply feels it and drains it. It also doesnt matter how it works because he drains everything, memories, psychie, life force etc.
Also what would it matter if he absorbed his own team as well? The whole team doesnt have to survive to win a fight. Im a team fight if 1 character is left standing at the end that characters team wins. I don't see any way that any of them a beating parasite when he can simply absorb everything they all are (both sides)
He gets hungry absorbs everyone onnthe field and as hes the onlynone left standing his team wins
Originally posted by StyleTime
Fantomex's powers almost certainly are a casted ability though. I've addressed this in other threads, but part of the brilliance of Remender-era(Morrison too) Fantomex was that he messes with the perceptions of the reader as much as the characters in the story. Remender didn't show Fantomex cast every time because we're supposed to be drawn into the ruse ourselves. We're supposed to go "Oh shit! Shadow King made Wolverine kill Fantomex! The Horsemen took out X-Force! It's over!", then smirk as we realize that Fantomex duped us just like everyone else. It's a narrative device used for excitement/suspense. It's one of the flaws of isolated battleboard scans. Fantomex, especially from that run, is hard to separate from the context of the story he was in. You really have to read the entire narrative sequence to understand it. It's not as simple as Deadpool decapitating someone.We've seen him cast it enough to know that's how it works though, even if we don't get shown the ability every time. When it fails, we see Fantomex standing their with his hand out casting it. We've literally seen him speak the illusion into existence multiple times, and he's been in too many situations where an autocast is simply implausible. Take AoA Iceman warning Fantomex not to try it, since he won't be able to locate his mind for it work anyway. It's clearly something Fantomex does consciously.
Now, maybe some think Fantomex can get off the misdirect before Cheetah closes in on them, but that's a different thing. I disagree obviously, but I find it more reasonable than Fantomex having a passive misdirection aura.
If Fantomex succeeds, he won't realize they are his teammates.
It was the same stuff seen in Naruto every week. Sasuke, Itachi, or Naruto fooling their opponent and audience.
Fantomex's abiliity is one of the most formidable forms of illusion casting in comics, but I do tend to think it's about as overrated as Midnighters Battle Computer. If Parasite is indeed capable of battlefield wife mass draining, I'd probably put that over a mass illusion cast, personally.
Originally posted by Deadline
Er I don't think so somehow. So shes Faster Than Light is she? She's so fast she can travel back in time? She on a similar levle to Zoom now?And Deathstroke has reacted to Flash. So Deathstroke is faster than Flash? Use some common sense please. I'm also getting the impression that Cheetah jumped Superman, like they were in a forest somewhere and she burst out of nowhere.
Batman has also reacted to Cheetah. She's hardly an unrecognisable blur - he even realised who it was:
100% agree, she's tagging Flash and Batman in that scan.
But if she IS faster than Flash, based on that scan, and Flash has outraced light, and we are scaling off her...you see where this leads?
Cheetah>Flash>light, but not so fast that Batman can't see her sneaking up on them, recognising her and shouting out a warning, lol.
Originally posted by beatboks
Parasite has never targeted any power he simply feels it and drains it. It also doesnt matter how it works because he drains everything, memories, psychie, life force etc.Also what would it matter if he absorbed his own team as well? The whole team doesnt have to survive to win a fight. Im a team fight if 1 character is left standing at the end that characters team wins. I don't see any way that any of them a beating parasite when he can simply absorb everything they all are (both sides)
He gets hungry absorbs everyone onnthe field and as hes the onlynone left standing his team wins
You're not understanding me.
Fantomex would make Parasite THINK he's draining X-force. But he's not. He's literally just sitting there.
And IF he tries draining everyone, that hurts his team more than X-force - because he starts draining Cheetah of her speed.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Batman is Batman though. Marvel doesn't wank Fantomex like that. Plus, Batman has superior speed feats to Fantom.
Flash has superior speed feats to Cheetah. Yet, you seem to ignore it based on this showing.
So why can't I use Batman?
How about I use Steve Trevor?
Am still waiting on your Parasite scans, btw.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
You use Steve, then I'll use Karnak. 😛Either way, it would be difficult to find examples of fantom using his illusions on someone that fast.
You really think Karnak is applicable to Steve Trevor, a normal human guy? Troll. But don't forget, Fantomex has more showings than Cheetah - so sure, he has low showings (lol @Karnak, comparing it to Steve) but they are diluted by his highs.
Cheetah, on the other hand, only has about 3 or so showings. One of which, her best, has a human (Batman) recognising and reacting to her sneak attack in a jungle. Not looking good for how fast she is.
I thought you were digging up Parasite scans for me?
Originally posted by Senor Cage
At least cheetah has combat feats displaying her speed. Fantomex doesn't have any feats of pulling off an illusion against a speedster such as her.
Combat feats like against a human?
I'm beginning to think Cheetah is all hype. Cale dodged her just fine in that first panel. Don't forget, we are using Rebirth Cheetah, whose origin is completely different from n52.
Where are the Parasite scans?
Originally posted by StyleTimeIf Fantomex succeeds, he won't realize they are his teammates.
DarkSaint85 speculated The Parasite might drain Cheetah (if he tried a wide range drain)
Like he doesn't know how to use his powers.
Fantomex can not cast or think faster than Manta's Light Speed Optic Blast
Or Cheetah's Assault
And Deathstroke will Terminate Him If They Don't
PIS OFF
Deathstroke's Magic Sword isn't going to pretend it hasn't identified E.V.A. and Fantomex and can't make Deathstroke see where to blast, shoot or stab Fantomex.