Criticism of religion

Started by Emperordmb5 pages

I mean, I'll be rather consistent here.

As a Christian who doesn't like being painted with a broad brush, I'd like to think that I at least have returned the same courtesy I would expect from others. I've probably slipped up a few times, I'm not gonna pretend I live up to my own standards.

I'd be quick to denounce the Westboro Baptist Church for their horseshit (I have), quick to criticize Christians who don't think teenagers should be taught about safe sex (I have), willing to welcome a Muslim into my home and smoke a bowl with them if they seem chill (I have).

I do my best to judge people on their own merits and character, be they my best friend's Muslim friend from high school, a Muslim woman who helped me check my textbook out at my college, left-wingers in my family, left-wingers in my religious group, people I engage in discussions with who tell me they're atheists. I don't just assume the muslims are terrorists/horrible bigots, don't just assume the lefties are psychotic, don't just assume someone I meet whose an atheist is an annoying fedora tipper whose gonna try their damnedest to convert me.

However it gets really sketchy for me when we're talking about Mass Migration from nations that have some rather serious widespread cultural problems. I'd say the same thing at the prospect of mass migration of Christians from the CAR, or less developed Christian countries in other parts of the world where gay people are executed. And if we brought Christians from such groups or countries into mine on mass and it lead to problems and people refused to talk about the culture clash for fear of being labeled racist or some other "ist", I'd take issue with that. I'm not saying don't let anyone in from those countries, I didn't support Trump's travel ban, but I am saying there needs to be actual serious screening and not importing massive cultural change into your country with no eye for the potential consequences.

And to keep this measure for measure, I know plenty of people who constantly shit on Christianity, I'm actually close friends with a few of them. I'm not gonna lie and say that doesn't emotionally provoke me or offend me, in fact that's perhaps the easiest way to emotionally offend me. I'm not going to pretend that makes them people of horrible moral character though, or put them on par with racists, otherwise I wouldn't be close friends with so many of them. Yes it can offend me, sometimes seriously, but as a wise man once said "in order to talk about anything important you have to risk being offensive."

They don't agree with my views as a Christian, and they don't owe those views any more respect or reverence than I owe their views as atheists, or that I owe Putinbot's views as a left-winger, or that he owes my views as a right-winger.

And yes, many of them unfairly paint with too broad a brush when it comes to Christians, and that is a fault, but virtually none of us here aren't guilty of painting with too broad a brush along ideological classifications. Most of the right-wingers here have done that with left-wingers, and most of the left-wingers here have done it with right-wingers.

It's a flaw, but not one I'd put on par with judging people on the basis of skin color, just getting swept up in emotion and making an unfair low resolution judgment of people on the basis of something that actually matters.

Now if a fedora tipping atheist starts talking about sending all religious people to reeducation camps or some shit or having the state teach atheism as the right perspective, then I'd start taking issue with that. But no generally fedora tipping atheists with an utter contempt for Christianity are not remotely the same as racists.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Depends on the type of Christian, Coptic Christians, orthodox Jews and Muslim women all cover their hair and dress very conservatively. Eastern Christianity, is very different African (which often incorporates local traditions), is very different to Christianity in the far East or South America. It's actually the same with Islam.

Which is why I asked what ml considered traditional Christian garb. I would also like to know which specific circumstances and articles of clothing are being talked about in regards to the police.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which is why I asked what ml considered traditional Christian garb. I would also like to know which specific circumstances and articles of clothing are being talked about in regards to the police.

Fair enough, that's reasonable.

Tell that to all the Christians being killed in Syria because their Christians.

Killing people due to religion was also under the law the UN tried to pass. Countries like Russia, the US and Japan voted no, however, thus causing squabble and further delay on sanctions being implemented.
I also don’t see anyone here in the US going up to Muslims and forcing them to remove their Hijab.

There's videos of edgelords coming up to and ripping a woman's hijabs off. Hell, I've seen it happen on the streets of Serbia a few times. And I'm not referring to the US specifically, just in general several countries that are dominantly Christian(like France, Belgium or Italy) have either made burkas, hijabs and other traditional headwear illegal or are pushing for it to happen.
Also this is the UN that refuses to call out Iran for their crimes against humanity.

Pretty sure it has.

The UN has denounced Iran's human rights violations for years now. SquallX is wrong.

I should note I'm not defending the inherently toxic aspects of Islam, like it's misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. I'm very much against all that.
I'm merely pointing out these aren't issues that are being ignored, and you can find hateful cvnts and tolerant dudes on both sides of this argument.

No one really is, as noted, it's what the individual takes out of their religion. Islam has many shit viewpoints though.

Misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia isn't something unique to Islam. Islam after all co-opted from Judaism and Christianity.

Islam may well be significantly more brutal in practice, but denying the causal link between two ideologies that advocate for a lack of critical thinking and which encourage you to base your morality on a imaginary dictator is cognitive dissonace at it's finest.

Originally posted by Robtard
No one really is, as noted, it's what the individual takes out of their religion. Islam has many shit viewpoints though.

Misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia isn't something unique to Islam. Islam after all co-opted from Judaism and Christianity.

Well That is a BIG PHAT PHUCKNG LIE!

I am glad there is a Hell.


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Originally posted by Robtard
No one really is, as noted, it's what the individual takes out of their religion. Islam has many shit viewpoints though.

Misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia isn't something unique to Islam. Islam after all co-opted from Judaism and Christianity.

It isn't unique but it gets the gold medal for having the most followers and hence the winner of most likely to have more of those problems than any other religion by a large stretch.

Originally posted by Robtard
No one really is, as noted, it's what the individual takes out of their religion. Islam has many shit viewpoints though.

Misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia isn't something unique to Islam. Islam after all co-opted from Judaism and Christianity.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Islam may well be significantly more brutal in practice, but denying the causal link between two ideologies that advocate for a lack of critical thinking and which encourage you to base your morality on a imaginary dictator is cognitive dissonace at it's finest.

If critically thinking non theist's developed a universal framework of morality, that they self enforced among themselves, then you may have a point.

As is, critical thinking skills seem most often used to rationalize away bad behavior, reject universalism, and criticize enemies.

For all of religions faults, uniformity in the good parts is a net positive.

I've read some interesting articles that debunk the notion that mass migrations are going to be any kind of cultural threat to EU despite of what many nationalists try to sell.

Simply put, migrations tend to happen inside limited region except on the richest of the populations from each country. Those rich populations are the less likely to be fanatical and indulge into irrational cultism once they arrive to their "developped country of choice". Hardly the cultural war some are trying to sell us.

What did Jesus ever do to anyone to garner so much hate even 2000 years later. It’s beyond absurd.

Originally posted by Bentley
I've read some interesting articles that debunk the notion that mass migrations are going to be any kind of cultural threat to EU despite of what many nationalists try to sell.

Simply put, migrations tend to happen inside limited region except on the richest of the populations from each country. Those rich populations are the less likely to be fanatical and indulge into irrational cultism once they arrive to their "developped country of choice". Hardly the cultural war some are trying to sell us.

👆 Good post!

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What did Jesus ever do to anyone to garner so much hate even 2000 years later. It’s beyond absurd.

apparently he himself sort of prophecied about that:
Mark 13:13

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What did Jesus ever do to anyone to garner so much hate even 2000 years later. It’s beyond absurd.

They can't stand that he's infinitely superior to Muhammad.

Originally posted by cdtm
If critically thinking non theist's developed a universal framework of morality,

If anyone managed to develop a "universal frame work of morality", then you might have a point. But as there's no such thing as a "universal framework of morality" your defense of religious ideology is absolutely moronic.

Dictators form "universal frameworks", and those frameworks are based on fear not morality.

Originally posted by Surtur
They can't stand that he's infinitely superior to Muhammad.

Who’s “they” and why?

No one can rationally say why they hate Jesus either. Because there isn’t a reason to hate him.