Criticism of religion

Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't it a problem to introduce competition for pre-existing ghettoes?

And why don't they simply hire from those existing ghettos? That's one of the things I can't understand about this issue: We ALREADY HAVE people in this very country looking for economic opportunity. No one is hiring them.

In the EU the problem is two fold.

1) We decided that individual countries shouldn't build big national investments and that most markets should be open to the competition. This means essentially that the government has little to no saying in who gets hired and which places are prioritized. We have to hope for private sectors to be nice and hire people who are relatively uneducated.

2) Ghetto subcultures are terribly mismanaged. When you get a family that finally gets a break with a good job or a decent education, they move out of the city into a better place and get replaced with another family in dire situation. The prizes of ghetto towns are low because they are essentially hot neighborhoods, so people are kept there because they are poor.

It's also different from places next to big cities or small towns but the situation is very similar. You pretty much give people a place to stay but they have about no motivation to ever stick around. City ghettos are already very diverse as far as the origins of those composing them, technically newcomers would be less welcomed on small towns where misery is more of a "people are old and jobless" issue. I'd need to check exactly if there is documentation in how populations react when foreigns arrive in big numbers to their small communities.

Originally posted by Bentley
Let me look for the article, I don't remember if I read it in english. That's a fair request to make.

Edit: found it https://booksandideas.net/How-Oracles-Are-Forged.html

I dismissed the effect of mass migrations because ghettos with poor uneducated people are already here. If the problem was so drastic and terrible for culture then we should solve the issue instead of waiting for mass migrations to happen. Putting the blame of ghetto-building in mass migration makes little sense.

Islam is also already in France and it doesn't particularly interacts with progressist culture more than your average catholicism does.

I do not believe that the point you present is self-evident. Feel free to cite any decent article you have in hand to support it.

That was a good read, thanks🙂 It didn't particularly address culture nor did it address religion. You seem to be very focused on France but the EU is more then just France in which mass immigration has take place:

Immigrant share of population

Massive urban areas will generally see the smallest changes just due to the population density of course but you are more than dismissive about areas that are not urban hubs. Remember I'm not talking about solely about immigration but CULTURE and RELIGION. So back to my point that mass immigration does affect culture, religion is a part of that culture and most of the immigrants are poorly educated and pursue a religion that is very regressive compared to the culture of the EU.

I know more of France because I'm french.

It's tricky to wager how much weight culture and religion can have in the EU because the countries are built very differently. Germany and France already have a sh_tload of islam practicioners in their populations with their north african/turk immigrants respectively. They are also highly populated, so odds are the impact of these migrations are minimal. Islam does very little hard in those countries when it comes to influence (religion is largely irrelevant in France anyways).

It might be more interesting to look how it goes in smaller, less populated countries with less historical islam practicioners. I could look around if there is any proof of these populations having a lasting impression in such places.

Jesus could beat Muhammad in a fight!!! Turns the water in his body into acid.

Originally posted by Surtur
Jesus could beat Muhammad in a fight!!! Turns the water in his body into acid.

Originally posted by MythLord
But what if Muhammad summons his unicorn?? WHO WINS THEN!?

Jesus says to the unicorn "Wanna work for me or for a child rapist?"

The unicorn then disembowels Muhammad while laughing.

A unicorn disemboweling Muhammad would make an awesome t-shirt.

You think the unicorn understands English?

Originally posted by MythLord
You think the unicorn understands English?

Not at all, Jesus speaks unicorn.

Ah, so next to Latin and Hebrew Jesus can also speak unicorn-ish.

Christ is the Word made flesh, he knows how to use words of any tongue.

Originally posted by Surtur
Jesus could beat Muhammad in a fight!!! Turns the water in his body into acid.

You know deep down that this is why Islam had to retcon their Jesus, the VS religion forums was something they couldn't afford biscuits

Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't it a problem to introduce competition for pre-existing ghettoes?

And why don't they simply hire from those existing ghettos? That's one of the things I can't understand about this issue: We ALREADY HAVE people in this very country looking for economic opportunity. No one is hiring them.