Originally posted by carver9The Starbrand is, explicitly, created to protect Earth. It's not a matter of him choosing to protect Earth - he could choose to protect the moon, or Mars, if he wants, but the power itself was designed for Earth, and it's capabilities are related to it.
@Phil...The scans you posted still say "world". Earth isn't the only World. It's an open ended statement. Nothing states the only planetary body he can destroy is Earth.
Him protecting Eatth doesnt mean that his only limitation is earth either. How and why are you even making this comparison limited to one specific. Superman himself said that he protects Metropolis. I feel confident you would not limit his power level to city busting. Nothing has been shown proving he cant destroy something of this size...
Do you understand?
Let's try this again:
Do you need me to break down each individual sentence?
Originally posted by carver9Connected at the foreskin
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Originally posted by carver9Even if we throw the entire 9 book series of the Carver rulebook out, you can't piggyback off two vastly more capable characters and try and sandwich Starkev in there like he fits. Galactus can destroy more than a world because he has. Thanos could be limited to city busting capabilities for all it matters in the face of his raw power feats. CarvbranD has neither to go against his limited scope.
Example: Thanos has the power to destroy a World.Tell me galan, does this automatically mean he can destroy only earth level planets?
If someone say Galactus or whomever is a world eater, I dont think about just Earth.
Thanos and Galactus aren't limited to Earth levels because they've done better... consistently.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Zop! Finally, somebody worthwhile.Where did Starbrand, in his fight against them, display greater than his defined power - in those same series? And by the same series, I mean literally the same issue where he's fighting them, where the totality of his power is specified:
https://imgur.com/a/1xx0ux1Those in the background? Those are the posessed villains, as you may know. It's stated twice, within consecutive pages, that he is Earth-busting level.
It is stated again, just in case people don't read, after the villains are depowered, that his power is Earth-busting:
https://imgur.com/a/5oUuloIThat's three times him being stated to be Earth-busting power, in the same fight you're arguing he is far more than that. I hope this is clear, so I'll repeat it again: in the same fight, he is stated, 3 times, that his powers is Earth busting - which is literally the core concept of the character, reiterated multiple times.
So, I'm asking, because I have the issues right in front of me, and he doesn't exceed that. Where are the villains exerting more power than it takes to bust the Earth and where does Starbrand overpower that power?
Do you have any proof, for any of this, or just because they are used as marionettes by cosmic beings, it means they are automatically an imaginary-level where it's convenient, despite the lack of feats - and even moreso - even if they are - what exactly would put Starbrand - who is, and I can't stress this enough, specifically stated to be Earth-power three times in the same fight - above that aforementioned power?
Please pin-point me at the exact page he shows energy levels above Earth-busting.
Originally posted by zopzop
I get what you're saying Philo. I mean it specifically states the SB is meant as a planetary defense system. But you got to take into account this 'planetary' defense system took on a living STAR and 3 universal abstracts that were out for his blood. Also worth noting that Earth is a special planet that for all intents and purposes serves as Eternity's heart. You'd think it's defense system would be something special too.
Recapping Earth is Eternity's heart, the universe won't end until it's destroyed, it can't be destroyed as long as the Starbrand is there protecting it. Three abstracts that represent universal creation, destruction, and rebirth wanted Starbrand dead. They were having a hard time doing it. IMHO that means he's packing a lot more than just planet busting power.
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I'm laughing because that actually makes sense. This really is the worst of days.
Originally posted by zopzop
I get what you're saying Philo. I mean it specifically states the SB is meant as a planetary defense system. But you got to take into account this 'planetary' defense system took on a living STAR and 3 universal abstracts that were out for his blood. Also worth noting that Earth is a special planet that for all intents and purposes serves as Eternity's heart. You'd think it's defense system would be something special too.
Recapping Earth is Eternity's heart, the universe won't end until it's destroyed, it can't be destroyed as long as the Starbrand is there protecting it. Three abstracts that represent universal creation, destruction, and rebirth wanted Starbrand dead. They were having a hard time doing it. IMHO that means he's packing a lot more than just planet busting power.
Great post.
Originally posted by zopzopHe didn't take '3 universal absttracts out for blood', they used the 'zombified' villains as amped puppets, he got just about killed, there was no actual page of him exerting 'above planetary busting' power, and there's no actual evidence that the villains themselves were above planet-busting. That's why I'm asking what you're referring to, specifically - as in page showing them busting stars, Starbrand overpowering them in a 'kamehameha' -- anything really. Just because they were 'amped by Abstracts' doesn't mean a whole lot - that's like saying Firestorm is powered by a Universe. It's all flashy words, to cover for the lack of actual concrete power feats. Kolobus was the Ghost of a Dead Star that literally wanted to 'possess' a structure, btw [https://imgur.com/a/jSsLU76] so, again, it's not like 'the full power of a star', anymore than it was the 'power of abstracts'.
I get what you're saying Philo. I mean it specifically states the SB is meant as a planetary defense system. But you got to take into account this 'planetary' defense system took on a living STAR and 3 universal abstracts that were out for his blood. Also worth noting that Earth is a special planet that for all intents and purposes serves as Eternity's heart. You'd think it's defense system would be something special too.
Recapping Earth is Eternity's heart, the universe won't end until it's destroyed, it can't be destroyed as long as the Starbrand is there protecting it. Three abstracts that represent universal creation, destruction, and rebirth wanted Starbrand dead. They were having a hard time doing it. IMHO that means he's packing a lot more than just planet busting power.
Yes, he is important, he is seen as a cosmic being etc. But his raw power in itself is, quite categorically, by definition [which is repeated ad nauseam in almost every issue], planet-busting. It's kind of like Living Tribunal talking nice to the the lower abstracts, when he could wipe his ass with them.
Originally posted by Philosophía
He didn't take '3 universal absttracts out for blood', they used the 'zombified' villains as amped puppets, he got just about killed, there was no actual page of him exerting 'above planetary busting' power, and there's no actual evidence that the villains themselves were above planet-busting. That's why I'm asking what you're referring to, specifically - as in page showing them busting stars, Starbrand overpowering them in a 'kamehameha' -- anything really. Just because they were 'amped by Abstracts' doesn't mean a whole lot - that's like saying Firestorm is powered by a Universe. It's all flashy words, to cover for the lack of actual concrete power feats. Kolobus was the Ghost of a Dead Star that literally wanted to 'possess' a structure, btw [https://imgur.com/a/jSsLU76] so, again, it's not like 'the full power of a star', anymore than it was the 'power of abstracts'.Yes, he is important, he is seen as a cosmic being etc. But his raw power in itself is, quite categorically, by definition [which is repeated ad nauseam in almost every issue], planet-busting. It's kind of like Living Tribunal talking nice to the the lower abstracts, when he could wipe his ass with them.
We've seen at least one of these abstracts before, Entropy, he's a legit universal level abstract (see the Genis-Vel series) and he was there trying his best to kill the SB.
Originally posted by zopzop
I get what you're saying Philo. I mean it specifically states the SB is meant as a planetary defense system. But you got to take into account this 'planetary' defense system took on a living STAR and 3 universal abstracts that were out for his blood. Also worth noting that Earth is a special planet that for all intents and purposes serves as Eternity's heart. You'd think it's defense system would be something special too.
Recapping Earth is Eternity's heart, the universe won't end until it's destroyed, it can't be destroyed as long as the Starbrand is there protecting it. Three abstracts that represent universal creation, destruction, and rebirth wanted Starbrand dead. They were having a hard time doing it. IMHO that means he's packing a lot more than just planet busting power.
I feel like your post is what the writers intended; they just didn't give us the feats to back up.
Kind of like when narration tells us a character is a top tier fighter, but never shows them fight someone in h2h.
Originally posted by zopzopHe wasn't fighting the abstracts, he was fighting villains amped by those abstracts. The same way when Hulk fights Juggernaut, he's not fighting Cyttorak.
For some reason I can't quote you so I have to rely on quickquotes. Philo, it specifically stated that these three abstracts wanted the Earth destroyed so they could restart the universe. Each one of them represented an aspect of Eternity : universal creation, destruction, rebirth. They COULD NOT KILL HIM and they were trying their best.We've seen at least one of these abstracts before, Entropy, he's a legit universal level abstract (see the Genis-Vel series) and he was there trying his best to kill the SB.
Only they were literally featless with the amp.
And they literally almost killed him. What the--?
Again, what scene is the one where Starbrand shows above planet busting power? Is taking a beating a sign of how much he can dish out, too?
Captain Marvel has taken beatings from the Spectre standing. Is he now abstract level, too? And Spectre has feats....unlike amped...uh...Nitro.
Here's Superman no-selling a Living Universe and then hurting him, since we're at the part where we throw big words around:
Originally posted by Philosophía
He wasn't fighting the abstracts, he was fighting villains amped by those abstracts. The same way when Hulk fights Juggernaut, he's not fighting Cyttorak.Only they were literally featless with the amp.
And they literally almost killed him. What the--?
Again, what scene is the one where Starbrand shows above planet busting power? Is taking a beating a sign of how much he can dish out, too?
Captain Marvel has taken beatings from the Spectre standing. Is he now abstract level, too? And Spectre has feats....unlike amped...uh...Nitro.
Here's Superman no-selling a Living Universe and then hurting him, since we're at the part where we throw big words around:
And they didn't almost kill him. He actually took them out with one attack. But they were released and then all 4 of them got in a prolonged fight. The abstracts didn't gain the advantage till after the SB was distracted. That was a monstrous showing for the SB.
Regarding your Superman example, I have no problem with that. Even Masterson Thor brought Power Stone amped Thanos during the IG saga to his knees. But we all know how that fight ended.
testing(and i find this more like an excuses to escape,because when nebula man saying his words,he has paused frequently,and is has been superman knock down then he said these words),but that doesn't change the fact that superman withstanding his attack casually,and even beating nebula-man(and BTW,this living universe is actually JLA acquired from wonderworld in JLA issues,and this living universe masters been crashed by maggedon,who superman one-shotting him,absorb maggedon energy source and deactive maggedon)
it does pretty clearly state across multiple books that it is now defined as a planetary system intended to protect a people as they approach some ill-defined ascendency or something (as opposed to the original being a universal level threat). those 'people' are clearly humans, which would add further proof that this new star brand was intended to protect earth itself. the open-ended part that i see is that the limit of its power isn't clearly defined. it can destroy the earth, sure, but is that the limit? i dunno. we really can't know imo. what if a threat came to earth that had more power than it took to shatter the earth? would that threat exceed the star brand's scope or could it further elevate itself to match and defend the planet? again, i dunno. based on the level of the original brand, i personally wouldn't rule it out though. /shrug
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
testing(and i find this more like an excuses to escape,because when nebula man saying his words,he has paused frequently,and is has been superman knock down then he said these words),but that doesn't change the fact that superman withstanding his attack casually,and even beating nebula-man(and BTW,this living universe is actually JLA acquired from wonderworld in JLA issues,and this living universe masters been crashed by maggedon,who superman one-shotting him,absorb maggedon energy source and deactive maggedon)
So you're saying it is an excuse? Gotcha. Also, what fts does Nebula have?
