Originally posted by carver9in my opinion,should be an excuse(like i said those reasons).nebula-man appearaces deficient,only know is that he is a living universe(because he is the same thing appearance in JLA issues,so this should be certain).
So you're saying it is an excuse? Gotcha. Also, what fts does Nebula have?
Originally posted by MrMind
you don't even try to hide your double standard, what fts do the trio of villains starbrand was fighting have?
Graviton has held every single hero on Earth in place and this same Graviton had a freaking Abstract inside of his body powering him up. There were 2 more beings amped by abstract power.
The Starbrand has the power to protect or destroy a world. Where is it defined that their max power output is based on the size of their home planet? The repeated statement itself is a bit open. What if the threat was beyond planetary? Doesn't it also have the power to "protect" the world?
Other things of note. I've already mentioned this, but visuals help. The Kree Starbrand literally overpowered a sentient Sun.
"The Kree Starbrand is too powerful! Her fire supersedes Kolobus!"
http://oi66.tinypic.com/2621ts5.jpg
http://oi64.tinypic.com/ao9vl1.jpg
That sun's true form? It dwarfs the earth.
http://oi64.tinypic.com/18yhkw.jpg
And what was stated about the Kree Starbrand and Earth Starbrand in regards to their power level?
"...evenly matched in power."
http://oi66.tinypic.com/314t4b8.jpg
So now we have both Starbrands either overpowering or getting the best over a sentient sun. Seems planetary?
And prior to this encounter, the Kree Starbrand had just destroyed the Skrull homeworld. She had the same calling card and everything... Power to protect and destroy a world. Was the Skrull homeworld larger or smaller than Kree Pama(Kree homeworld)? Beats me.....
http://oi67.tinypic.com/wivsid.jpg
The Kree homeworld however may have been a large planet seeing as it has a ring system and had multiple moons. Not definitive, but huge posiblity.
http://oi64.tinypic.com/ng381f.jpg
So many things to consider just to pigeonhole the Starbrands purely as having max power output in relation to the size of their home planets. Just doesn't jive with me.
It's also implied that the earth starbrand can destroy Kree-Pama and of course vice versa. I thought their max output is based only on the size of their respective planets?
http://oi64.tinypic.com/ao9vl1.jpg
http://oi63.tinypic.com/j9n8r4.jpg
If one planet is larger then the other, then one of them does not have the power to destroy the other's planet. But then again both planets could be the same in size. That goes the same for the Skrull homeworld that was one-shotted. It must have been equal to or smaller than the Kree planet. These things are highly unlikely.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's also implied that the earth starbrand can destroy Kree-Pama and of course vice versa. I thought their max output is based only on the size of their respective planets?
http://oi64.tinypic.com/ao9vl1.jpg
http://oi63.tinypic.com/j9n8r4.jpgIf one planet is larger then the other, then one of them does not have the power to destroy the other's planet. But then again both planets could be the same in size. That goes the same for the Skrull homeworld that was one-shotted. It must have been equal to or smaller than the Kree planet. These things are highly unlikely.
It was also stated that the user of the Starbrand was limited only by their imagination.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The Starbrand has the power to protect or destroy a world. Where is it defined that their max power output is based on the size of their home planet? The repeated statement itself is a bit open. What if the threat was beyond planetary? Doesn't it also have the power to "protect" the world?Other things of note. I've already mentioned this, but visuals help. The Kree Starbrand literally overpowered a sentient Sun.
"The Kree Starbrand is too powerful! Her fire supersedes Kolobus!"
http://oi66.tinypic.com/2621ts5.jpg
http://oi64.tinypic.com/ao9vl1.jpg
That sun's true form? It dwarfs the earth.
http://oi64.tinypic.com/18yhkw.jpgAnd what was stated about the Kree Starbrand and Earth Starbrand in regards to their power level?
"...evenly matched in power."
http://oi66.tinypic.com/314t4b8.jpgSo now we have both Starbrands either overpowering or getting the best over a sentient sun. Seems planetary?
And prior to this encounter, the Kree Starbrand had just destroyed the Skrull homeworld. She had the same calling card and everything... Power to protect and destroy a world. Was the Skrull homeworld larger or smaller than Kree Pama(Kree homeworld)? Beats me.....
http://oi67.tinypic.com/wivsid.jpgThe Kree homeworld however may have been a large planet seeing as it has a ring system and had multiple moons. Not definitive, but huge posiblity.
http://oi64.tinypic.com/ng381f.jpgSo many things to consider just to pigeonhole the Starbrands purely as having max power output in relation to the size of their home planets. Just doesn't jive with me.
Good chance that the Kree home world was bigger than Earth, since the Kree are naturally several times stronger than a Earth human.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy would 'taking control of him' be relevant, when we're talking about power, zop? They're different things and, furthermore, we saw what happened the first time Starbrand faced them while they were 'controlled' - they were completely nullified by being in Antarctica [lol!], they were restrained casually, and the 'controlled by abstracts !! Nitro' was school-busting level [lmao!] Both the villains, and Juggernaut, are avatars given power - they're conduits, not the power of Cyttorak/Abstracts themselves.
For your Hulk/Juggernaut example to be relevant here, you'd have to have Cytorrak funneling power into Juggernaut AND taking full control of him. The trio of villains were literally the avatars of the abstracts : they were channeling their power, speaking, and acting through them.And they didn't almost kill him. He actually took them out with one attack. But they were released and then all 4 of them got in a prolonged fight. The abstracts didn't gain the advantage till after the SB was distracted. That was a monstrous showing for the SB.
Regarding your Superman example, I have no problem with that. Even Masterson Thor brought Power Stone amped Thanos during the IG saga to his knees. But we all know how that fight ended.
I asked you a question, too, Zop - where, exactly, did Starbrand exhibit above planetary destroying energy projection? Show me the page, the panel, anything. Show me where the avatars did, and show me where Kevin overpowered it.
It's simple: do you have it, or do you not?
We function on proof here. Not vague statements. "The Sun!" was a dead one, a ghost trying to possess a structure. The "abstract villains!" were simply mind-control zombie villains who were amped, and who have no feats to back your position.
I asked you another question, is Shazam Spectre-level, because he took attacks for him? By your own logic. You dodged this, too. And he did it much better than Starbrand, who was near-death, and was lucky the villains' connection to the abstracts was stopped. Do you want me to go on? Superman took attacks from Emperor Joker, who warped the Multiverse. Superman took attacks from Dominus, who was choking Eternity and was far above her [i.e. Kismet]. Does that mean that he can evaporate the Universe with heat vision? Shall I go on? Your logic doesn't hold up, not only because you don't differentiate durability and energy projection [which is what I'm asking about, and you have provided nothing], but because that's not the way any of this works.
I feel like I'm playing poker with you, you have nothing in your hand, and you keep avoiding showing me the cards.
Originally posted by cdtm
News to me. Carol couldn't even beat down Hulk in that stupid Infinity skirmish between Reed and Cap (The one where the imbecil writer has the academic beat the soldier in battle tactics. Because comic book writers are all nerds who were "bullied" in school, and use their writing to live out their fantasies of sticking it to the jocks.)
Well said.
And that is a disgrace, disrespecting Cap like that.
Originally posted by leonidasYes, but power levels aren't universally translated into all comic book arcs, under different writers. Starbrand is, by definition, the total energy it takes to destroy a planet. Just because Terrax is the same in a completely different arc [he is not, btw, it takes much more energy to destroy a planet, than to split it, and Terrax's power is specifically Earth control so it makes it murky], it doesn't mean that Starbrand should be above that.
think about some of the characters we've seen with power to literally destroy a planet--terrax did it on panel, monica was about to destroy an alternate earth. do we say that starbrand is only equal to them? maybe he is, but my impression is he is a lot more powerful than they are.
Let's take a theoretical example, like Nitro. If his power is defined a nuke level, and he blows up and hurts Thor, but in a different arc we saw Thor can tank being inside the sun, does that mean that Nitro is not nuke level, but supernova level? Replace this with another example, and the logic still wouldn't hold.
