Starbrand vs Superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that's the reasoning you have.

That Kevin's power scales directly in proportion to the size of the planet he is defending. Like a planetary Jack Hawksmoor.

He's 'only' meant to protect Earth. So he is 'only' Earth-level in scale.

My point is it is faulty to pigeonhole his max power at just "planetary" or in your case "earth planetary" based on what he's done and who he has gone up against.
I've already posted some scans on why I lean towards this idea.

But delving more into it, let's take a favorite villain of yours for example. Graviton was bloodlusted and a proxy for an abstract's power. He's on average what, close to or planetary in power? This time he's bloodlusted and empowered by an abstract. In fact he was powered up "exponentially".
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8jmyU-ZXVHg/Wb9EZMoUxhI/AAAAAAABrIk/wxcjzjwi4WQ8spz7x2Vm_peZrLeUfaTrACLcBGAs/s1600/048_0010.jpg

What's worse is he was bloodlusted and joined by two others who were powered up "exponentially" by two other abstracts. He had already beaten all 3 earlier and was actually going rounds with them in a 2nd encounter.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's like having an engine, designed to power a car.

You then come in and say, yeah, but what if that car was the size of an aircraft carrier?? Nobody said how large this car was!!!

Also...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I disagree. Yes I believe he has the power to destroy a planet, but I just don't think it's fair to consign his powers to just that. It's obvious It's not as simple as just planet destroying considering three abstracts were not able to easily dispose of him. There's a more complex, more esoteric quality to them besides just busting a planet. You also disregarded my other points. What if the planet is ten times the size of Jupiter? Are u just relegating him to an earth sized planet?
What if the threat is coming from powers beyond just planetary? Doesn't it also say he has the "power to protect a planet"? Do we just take all those similar statements about power to protect and assume that he can protect earth from all powers beyond planetary that is threatening earth?

Anyways I think based on feats it is not fair to simply say that the upper limits of his power is easily relegated to planetary.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not what I'm saying

My point is it is faulty to pigeonhole his max power at just "planetary" or in your case "earth planetary" based on what he's done and who he has gone up against.
I've already posted some scans on why I lean towards this idea.

But delving more into it, let's take a favorite villain of yours for example. Graviton was bloodlusted and a proxy for an abstract's power. He's on average what, close to or planetary in power? This time he's bloodlusted and empowered by an abstract. In fact he was powered up "exponentially".
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8jmyU-ZXVHg/Wb9EZMoUxhI/AAAAAAABrIk/wxcjzjwi4WQ8spz7x2Vm_peZrLeUfaTrACLcBGAs/s1600/048_0010.jpg

What's worse is he was bloodlusted and joined by two others who were powered up "exponentially" by two other abstracts. He had already beaten all 3 earlier and was actually going rounds with them in a 2nd encounter.

Read above.

Also...

But we have plenty of comic examples showing that powerups are not necessarily the sum of their parts.

Colossaunaut is an example. Sodom Yat with GL ring and Ion entity is another. Beating those two guys because 'logically', a Daxamite with the most powerful weapon in the universe (which amps a human to HH levels), PLUS the embodiment of will, should make such a character trans/abstract, means that......

I mean, I get what you're saying. But that really assumes comic writers sit down and say OK, Graviton has these high feats back in the 90s. So let's scale upwards....

With power levels like that, Kevin Starbrand would have atomised Thor, lol. After all, a non-amped Graviton effortlessly pinned Thor not once:
http://i.imgur.com/jYLQDQO.jpg

but twice:
http://i.imgur.com/FNVmx7A.jpg

And Kevin managed to defeat a Graviton who was amped 'exponentially'. What's worse is he was bloodlusted and joined by two others who were powered up "exponentially" by two other abstracts. He had already beaten all 3 earlier and was actually going rounds with them in a 2nd encounter.

So you can see the dangers of scaling, right?

Kevin >>>Amped Graviton >>>>>>>>Graviton > Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Kevin >>>Amped Graviton >>>>>>>>Graviton > Thor.

Though I agree with Darksaint:

Powerups are powerdowns.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But we have plenty of comic examples showing that powerups are not necessarily the sum of their parts.

Colossaunaut is an example. Sodom Yat with GL ring and Ion entity is another.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Carol can wreck a planet at base

News to me. Carol couldn't even beat down Hulk in that stupid Infinity skirmish between Reed and Cap (The one where the imbecil writer has the academic beat the soldier in battle tactics. Because comic book writers are all nerds who were "bullied" in school, and use their writing to live out their fantasies of sticking it to the jocks.)

Originally posted by zopzop
DS, it's not the same thing. In the Starbrand instance, they weren't just 'powered up' they were under the complete control of the abstracts. They stayed that way until the link between them and the abstracts was severed and they had no idea what was going on.

Where did Starbrand, in his fight against them, display greater than his defined power - in those same series? And by the same series, I mean literally the same issue where he's fighting them, where the totality of his power is specified:
https://imgur.com/a/1xx0ux1

Those in the background? Those are the posessed villains, as you may know. It's stated twice, within consecutive pages, that he is Earth-busting level.

It is stated again, just in case people don't read, after the villains are depowered, that his power is Earth-busting:
https://imgur.com/a/5oUuloI

That's three times him being stated to be Earth-busting power, in the same fight you're arguing he is far more than that. I hope this is clear, so I'll repeat it again: in the same fight, he is stated, 3 times, that his powers is Earth busting - which is literally the core concept of the character, reiterated multiple times.

So, I'm asking, because I have the issues right in front of me, and he doesn't exceed that. Where are the villains exerting more power than it takes to bust the Earth and where does Starbrand overpower that power?

Do you have any proof, for any of this, or just because they are used as marionettes by cosmic beings, it means they are automatically an imaginary-level where it's convenient, despite the lack of feats - and even moreso - even if they are - what exactly would put Starbrand - who is, and I can't stress this enough, specifically stated to be Earth-power three times in the same fight - above that aforementioned power?

Please pin-point me at the exact page he shows energy levels above Earth-busting.

Lol... none of those scans say EARTH busting. It say WORLD busting... that could be a planet 3 times to a 1000 times bigger than Earth. It's an open statement.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... none of those scans say EARTH busting. It say WORLD busting... that could be a planet 3 times to a 1000 times bigger than Earth. It's an open statement.

Here, choco bambo:
https://imgur.com/a/ngBnOqh
https://imgur.com/a/FeRqNbw

Tell me if you need help reading :*

Lol.

'The 5.0 L "Coyote" V8 is a car engine, meant to power a Mustang'

'Nobody said it was limited to a Mustang!!!!! It's a CAR engine - that's an open-ended statement. What if by 'car', you meant a machine that was 1000x the size of a Mustang? 2000x?

Such a mystery!!'

What did kindergarden level comic books mean by this?

I don't really care about scope; dude hits hard as **** in an apparently limited area.

That being said, he's (Kevin) generally crap - at this level - unless you use apparently only his highest 2 showings. Dude got ass raped by Mexi-Ghost Rider not too long ago. I'm sure no one wants to balance out his shit showings...

If I was to create this character, I'd have made him a mexican cocaine dealer who brands his minions and is a Batman villain.

"Alfred, why do all these cokeheads have stars imprinted on their anuses?"

I don't understand the argument.

The space heater in my garage can heat up to 800sq/ft. It says so right on the box. I don't assume that's just a low-end figure, and that it can really heat an entire city when used at full capacity.

My heater is garbage and I need to buy a new one. I can leave it on all day and it only drops the temp about 5 degrees at best.

I can't touch my bar with my bare hands when it's super cold out or I get frostburn... one day I will fully insulate it when I get sick of it being so chilly.

@Phil...

The scans you posted still say "world". Earth isn't the only World. It's an open ended statement. Nothing states the only planetary body he can destroy is Earth.

Him protecting Eatth doesnt mean that his only limitation is earth either. How and why are you even making this comparison limited to one specific. Superman himself said that he protects Metropolis. I feel confident you would not limit his power level to city busting. Nothing has been shown proving he cant destroy something of this size...

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1804/JupiterOpal_HubbleMasztalerz_1880.jpg

I was going to mock your post when I started reading it by saying something about Jupiter. Then I clicked your clicky link...

Great minds think alike. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't understand the argument.

The space heater in my garage can heat up to 800sq/ft. It says so right on the box. I don't assume that's just a low-end figure, and that it can really heat an entire city when used at full capacity.

Example: Thanos has the power to destroy a World.

Tell me galan, does this automatically mean he can destroy only earth level planets?

If someone say Galactus or whomever is a world eater, I dont think about just Earth.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I was going to mock your post when I started reading it by saying something about Jupiter. Then I clicked your clicky link...

Great minds think alike. 👆

You are my siamese twin.

Was Thanos designed to destroy Earth?

Was Galactus?

It's written clear as day he was designed to protect Earth, lol.