Senate Finds no Collusion.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It's a strange world when anyone, regardless of their political "side" actually WANT their president to be corrupt.

That's very odd, I agree, but it's not necessarily dangerous. What's dangerous is when people will look away from corruption and make excuses because it's their guy.

Let me put it this way, I'd rather have a few million crying anti-Trumpers whining and blabbering because Trump's not corrupt than a few million Trumpers defending his corruption should the investigation point that way, be it trying to tamper with the investigation, money laundering or outright treason.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I've struggled with that answer, and you probably have seen me ask it a few times.

My conclusion is that political enemies are now criminals to the other side.

That's very odd, I agree, but it's not necessarily dangerous. What's dangerous is when people will look away from corruption and make excuses because it's they're guy

Both of those points show why entrenched partisanship is such a problem. If two groups pull an elastic rope in opposite directions with increasing force then there's only 2 outcomes. Either the rope snaps and irrevocably breaks or both sides stop pulling and move towards the middle.

Both major parties are corrupt, just to different levels. I always laugh when one side cries about the other being corrupt while ignoring the corruption from their side.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Both of those points show why entrenched partisanship is such a problem. If two groups pull an elastic rope in opposite directions with increasing force then there's only 2 outcomes. Either the rope snaps and irrevocably breaks or both sides stop pulling and move towards the middle.

That has been looked at before where it has been shown that the right isn't moving further right, they are consolidating with their beliefs while the left has moved further and further left with less consolidation.

It was a study done by PEW since the 1990s.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Both major parties are corrupt, just to different levels. I always laugh when one side cries about the other being corrupt while ignoring the corruption from their side.

Which is more corrupt, iyo?

IMO, the Republicans are more corrupt.

Do you follow the Brookings Institute on the issue/differences they note?

Let’s Just Say It: The Republicans are the Problem

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you follow the Brookings Institute on the issue/differences they note?

Let’s Just Say It: The Republicans are the Problem

Do you have anything from 2019?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you have anything from 2019?

I would be happy if it just wasn't from an op-ed section.

I think they are currently the bigger problem. but for the most part the democrat's ideas are usually very flawed. so even without the republicans. the country would still be on a downward spiral.

Originally posted by snowdragon
That has been looked at before where it has been shown that the right isn't moving further right, they are consolidating with their beliefs while the left has moved further and further left with less consolidation.

It was a study done by PEW since the 1990s.

This PEW graph doesn't support that at least with regards to elected representatives.

Yeah, was pretty sure we've been moving further Right since at least Reagan.

He's not talking about the number elected officials from each party.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's not talking about the number elected officials from each party.

Well they are elected on their political standpoints. It's not unreasonable to say that their stance is representative of their voter's.

That empty nigh center is disheartening

We have a ton of corruption here in Chicago, which is run by Democrats. We recently had a scandal where an alderman wore a wire and uncovered shady shit another alderman was doing and a lot of the other alderman here were showing more indignation over the fact the guy wore a wire than the corruption it exposed.

I've just sort of become used to it. I don't know which side is more corrupt, but I do know it's close enough that one side has no room judging the other.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
This PEW graph doesn't support that at least with regards to elected representatives.

It looks like Republicans are not as liberal as they used to be, based on those graphs.

But the title of what is actually being measured is quite literally nonsensical or at least, it has no context. What they are measuring is meaningless without context.

I just did some google searching. I'm not finding much to support any position other than the parties are becoming more polarized and the young are becoming more conservative than years past.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Well they are elected on their political standpoints. It's not unreasonable to say that their stance is representative of their voter's.

Number of each side in office doesn't tell us anything about how far right/left their positions are. if you want to see what direction they're moving in, you have to compare the left/right's current positions with the positions they held in the past.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It looks like Republicans are not as liberal as they used to be, based on those graphs.

But the title of what is actually being measured is quite literally nonsensical or at least, it has no context. What they are measuring is meaningless without context.

I just did some google searching. I'm not finding much to support any position other than the parties are becoming more polarized and the young are becoming more conservative than years past.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/polarized-politics-in-congress-began-in-the-1970s-and-has-been-getting-worse-ever-since/

There's the article it's from. ^

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
This PEW graph doesn't support that at least with regards to elected representatives.

Here is another one that shows political polarization from 1994-2017:

Pew Pew Page

Political Polarization, 1994-2017

The interactive chart below illustrates the shift in the American public’s political values over the past two decades, using a scale of 10 questions asked together on seven Pew Research Center surveys since 1994. The share of Americans with ideologically consistent values has increased over this time and these political values also have become more strongly associated with partisanship. These shifts are particularly pronounced among politically engaged Americans. Use the controls below to see more detail about ideological consistency in the American public since 1994. For more information, read the full report.

Full report:

Long Pew Report (caffeine required)