Senate Finds no Collusion.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Number of each side in office doesn't tell us anything about how far right/left their positions are. if you want to see what direction they're moving in, you have to compare the left/right's current positions with the positions they held in the past.

The X axis measures how far from the political centre the numbers are. The numbers themselves aren't really the issue as they'll fluctuate depending on how many of each party are in office at any given time. The graphs show that the Dems have shifted less to the liberal side than the repubs have to the conservative end.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Here is another one that shows political polarization from 1994-2017:

Pew Pew Page

Full report:

Long Pew Report (caffeine required)

So it's really just a matter of timeframe.

Both are still pulling away from the centre.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
So it's really just a matter of timeframe.

Both are still pulling away from the centre.

They are, something of note is that if on that chart you if you look at politically engaged and by party you can get a better idea of what that means in the USA with the years available to be examined (as it relates to those politically engaged.)

It all makes for pretty grim reading. Seems both sides are at the point where they are happy to cut their nose off to spite their face if it meant getting one over on their perceived "enemies".

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It all makes for pretty grim reading. Seems both sides are at the point where they are happy to cut their nose off to spite their face if it meant getting one over on their perceived "enemies".

I agree, we have a supposed toxic culture (really its only toxic to those who participate) that has a platform we have never experienced before, the internet.

It allows the volume to be turned up on things that wouldn't have had any value to our cultures prior to the internet.

I think in good faith we can return to a more thoughtful society and governance when we find a way to turn down the volume and close off the silo's that the extremes hide in.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The X axis measures how far from the political centre the numbers are. The numbers themselves aren't really the issue as they'll fluctuate depending on how many of each party are in office at any given time. The graphs show that the Dems have shifted less to the liberal side than the repubs have to the conservative end.

I'd have to see the research that they used to come up with that graph, because if you just look at people's positions now versus what they were 25 years ago it's exceedingly obvious that we are further to the left, which for the most part is a good thing

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'd have to see the research that they used to come up with that graph, because if you just look at people's positions now versus what they were 25 years ago it's exceedingly obvious that we are further to the left, which for the most part is a good thing

I posted the links to the articles although I didn't see details as to the roll call votes they used, in which I agree are likely to have shifted left over time on certain issues. Interestingly, one of the clarifications was that even with issues where both sides have moved in the same direction such as gay rights/marriage the gap between the sides has increased because the liberals have moved further left than the conservatives have.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I agree, we have a supposed toxic culture (really its only toxic to those who participate) that has a platform we have never experienced before, the internet.

It allows the volume to be turned up on things that wouldn't have had any value to our cultures prior to the internet.

I think in good faith we can return to a more thoughtful society and governance when we find a way to turn down the volume and close off the silo's that the extremes hide in.

I mostly agree with that although it affects people who don't participate also as unless they are some kind of survivalist hermit living off the grid then political desicions affect them even when they don't engage in the political system.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I mostly agree with that although it affects people who don't participate also as unless they are some kind of survivalist hermit living off the grid then political desicions affect them even when they don't engage in the political system.

Sure but if they aren't engaging then they normally don't end up in that weirdo extreme political group or views because their friends/families in RL tend to balance that noise.

It becomes toxic when it is your main avenue for expression/relationships and it becomes your life living in those toxic silos.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Sure but if they aren't engaging then they normally don't end up in that weirdo extreme political group or views because their friends/families in RL tend to balance that noise.

It becomes toxic when it is your main avenue for expression/relationships and it becomes your life living in those toxic silos.

Yep. That's true. Far too many echo chambers nowadays. Confirmation bias coupled with cognitive dissonance also means that while it's easy for people to identify when there's another group that exists in a bubble they don't acknowledge that they themselves are in another.

Hopefully things such as UnFound.news get more traction or even BuzzFeed's "outside your bubble" concept.

Damn I forgot I made two threads. Again No collusion😂

Originally posted by Robtard
Bit misleading title.

But yes, I'm still waiting on the Mueller probe, have been since it started. Hopefully we get to see it either way it lands and Trump's AG doesn't bury it as has been implied.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b] Yeah Robbie has been backing this NothingBurger since Day One.

Lying Bastard. [/B]

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, declaring a victory and flapping your arms around like retards before the Mueller report is finished* is silly, you're only setting yourself up for possible epic levels of Trumper coping.

*again, this is on the grounds the AG releases it and does try to bury

"We may learn there was no indication that President Trump personally did anything illegal. Or Mueller may lay out rock solid proof of a criminal conspiracy or other violations that causes a chain reaction leading to the downfall of the Trump administration." -snip

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