KMC Comic Book Tiers (v2.0)

Rules

Regarding new character proposals/votes:
[list][*]So long as there is no flagrant trolling/shitposting(which will NOT be tolerated), this thread is open to everyone. IOW, any members are welcome to make new character proposals, and/or vote on the placement of existing characters, at any time.[/list] [list][*]In an effort to be as neutral and fair as possible, the characters are placed on the Master List based on a majority vote. No exceptions.[/list] [list][*]In order to avoid confusion/chaos, there should only be a maximum of 10 characters that are being discussed here at any given time. Once a consensus has been reached on the placement of a particular group of characters, they will be added to the Master List, then another 10 characters can be proposed, and so on. Please try to follow this format, as any excessive or out of turn proposals are likely to be ignored.[/list]

Notes:
[list][*]This list is based off of total "power" in all its forms. Individual matchups might mean that someone in a lower tier could beat someone in a higher tier, but we're basing the list on average power levels in a forum setting.[/list] [list][*]The tiers are defined by who is in them. There will obviously be "low" and "high" characters within a tier, but the idea is to place a character as close to their peers as possible. Put another way, there can be multiple levels within the same tier.[/list] [list][*]Prep is not considered, nor is the status of a character in their respective universe.[/list] [list][*]It is always assumed that the characters have access to all of their standard equipment/gear, which can(and should) play a factor in where they are placed on the list.[/list]

Definitions:
Please note that these definitions do not exist outside of KMC. They were created for a common forum vocabulary, and to give newer members a sense of the general area where certain characters are placed. Nothing more.

That said, there are not strict definitions for where one tier ends and another begins, but as a general example:
[list][*]Skyfather Tier: anyone '=/>' King Thor, and '<' average Galactus.[/list] [list][*]Transcendent(Trans) Tier: anyone '>' Silver Surfer, and '<' King Thor.[/list] [list][*]Herald Tier: anyone '>' Iron Man, and '=/<' Silver Surfer.[/list] [list][*]Metahuman(Meta) Tier: anyone '>' Taskmaster, and '=/<' Iron Man.[/list] [list][*]Street Tier: anyone '=/<' Taskmaster.[/list]

Disclaimer:
[list][*]As mentioned, this was created for a common forum vocabulary, and to give newer members a sense of the general area where certain characters are placed. Nothing more. Forum veterans and avid comic readers will likely disagree with certain placements, and this is expected. A perfect list cannot be made in comics, especially with so many differing opinions.[/list]

The Master List (1/4)

Tier 5 - Skyfather

Agamotto, Ares (classic/DC), Black Witch, Cyttorak, Dormammu, Gaea, Ganthet, Gog (The Kingdom), King Thor (Reigning), Mephisto, Monarch, Mordru, Nabu, Neron, Odin (classic), Rune King Thor, Set, Shazam (Wizard), Starbreaker, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million (Kal Kent), Surtur, Trigon, Uatu, Umar, Vishanti, Waverider, Ymir (/w/ CoAW), Zeus

Tier 4 - Transcendent(Trans)

Amazo (/w/ base set of JLA powers only), Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Divinity, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gorr, Gray Man, H'el, Hela, High Evolutionary, Infinity Man, Insane Genis-Vell, Ion II (Kyle Rayner), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, Magus (original), Mangog, Lord Mar-Vell, Midgard Serpent, Mogo, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Runner (/w/ Space Gem), Lord Satanus, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Sentry (Void/Death), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Sphinx, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superman (mainstream/Rebirth), Swamp Thing, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (depowered), Validus

*Simply put, the consensus was to keep Superman from the list for now, because a proper tier was not able to be established. His status can always be revisited at a later date if need be.

The Master List (2/4)

Tier 3 - Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Grand Regent Thragg, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Plutonian, Quasar, Qztr, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Battle Beast, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Conquest, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Icon (Milestone), Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Invincible, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Omni-Man, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shadowman, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Supreme (original), Ultron, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Angela, Animal Man, Apollo, Aquaman, Atlas (DC), The Atom, Big Barda, Blanque, Breach, Captain Comet, Cir-El, Coldcast, Cyborg, Darkness, Deadman, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Ebony Maw, Enchantress (DC), Enchantress (Marvel), Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firelord, Flash (Jay Garrick), Frankenstein (DC), Gammid, Gilgamesh, Godzilla, Gorilla Grodd, Granny Goodness, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Ikaris, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Jesse Quick, Kalibak, Killer Frost, King Hyperion, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magik, Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Metamorpho, Mirror Master, Morlun, Mr. M, Mr. Sinister, Nico Minoru, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Parasite, Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Proxima Midnight, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saint Walker, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, She-Hulk, Skaar, Skeletor, Snowbird, Solar (Gold Key), Solomon Grundy, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Super-Man (Kenan Kong), Superboy, Supergiant, Tempest, Terrax, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Union, Vision, Vulcan, Weapon H, Wendigo, Wiccan, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

The Master List (3/4)

Tier 2 - Metahuman(Meta)

High
Abomination, Ares (Marvel), Argent, Artemis, Atlas, Aurora, Aztek, Baron Mordo, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Bigby Wolf, Black Dwarf, Black Lightning, Black Manta, Blastaar, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Cold, Corvus Glaive, Captain Marvel Jr, Captain Nazi, Clor, Colossus, Crystal, Darwin, Death's Head II, Doctor Voodoo, Donna Troy, Dracula (Marvel), Emma Frost, Forerunner, Geo-Force, Ghost Rider II, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Giganta, Grim Reaper, Groot, Guardian I (James Hudson), Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Hood, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Ironheart, Jack of Hearts, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Karate Kid, Klaw, Living Laser, Machine Man, Man-Beast, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Maxwell Lord, Medusa (Inhumans), Mera, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mojo, Mothra, Ms. Marvel, Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan), Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Northstar, Ocean Master, Omen, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Psimon, Psylocke, Purple Man, Quake (Daisy Johnson), Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Reed Richards (Ultimate), Rulk (no energy absorption), Sand, Sandman (Marvel), Sasquatch, Sauron, Sebastian Shaw, Shadowcat, Shassa, She-Hulk, Shift, Silver Banshee, Spiral, Starfire, Static, Storm, Sunfire, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Uncle Sam, Vixen, War Machine, Weather Wizard, Windshear, Wonder Man, X-O Manowar, Zzaxx

Middle
Adam Strange, Aegis, Ambrose Chase, Arkon, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Batman Beyond, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blob, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Captain Boomerang, Carnage, Clayface, Cloak, Corrin, Crimson Dynamo, Cyclops, Darkhawk, Darkstar, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Devil Dinosaur, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Eternal Warrior, Fantomex, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Gamora, Ghost (Iron Man villain), Gorgon, Grace Choi, Gray Gargoyle, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Jason X, Jubilee, Karolina Dean, King Shark, Kymaera/Namorita, Lex Luthor (/w/ armor), Lightning Lad, Luke Cage, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Mister Negative, Molly Hayes, Mongoose, Moonstone, Moses Magnum, Mr. Freeze, Multiple Man, Nemesis (/w/ Creation Blades), Nova Richard Rider (classic), Ogun, Omega Red, Poison Ivy, Prometheus, Ragman, Reed Richards (616), Rogue, Rom, Speedball, Spider-Man, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Toyo Harada, Valkyrie, Vance Astro, Vandal Savage, Vengeance, Venom, Victor Mancha, Warblade, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Wonder Girl, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Low
3-D Man, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Backlash, Bane (/w/ Venom), Batman, Beast, Black Canary, Black Knight (classic /w/ Ebony Blade), Black Panther, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bloodshot, Bruenor Battlehammer, Captain America, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Daken, Deadpool, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Domino, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Gotham Butcher (Felix Harmon), Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Jason Voorhees, Judge Dredd, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, The Leader, Longshot, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Mister Miracle, Moon Girl, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Ninjak, Nuke, Orka Humbug, Owlman, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rai, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silk, Silver Samurai, Spider-Gwen, Spider-Woman, Starlord, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Vermin, Vulture, Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar, X-23, Zealot

The Master List (4/4)

Tier 1 - Street

High
Batgirl, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, The Cat, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Captain America (Ultimate), Daredevil, David Cain, Elektra, Green Arrow, Harley Quinn, Hawkeye, Jack O'Lantern, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Mysterio, Nightwing, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Silencer, Talon (Calvin Rose), Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Toad, Union Jack, Ursa Major, Winter Soldier

Middle
Arrowette, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Batroc, Batwoman, Black Cat, Black Mask, Black Widow, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Catman, Catwoman, Conan, Crossbones, Damian Wayne, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Hawkeye (Ultimate), Hush, Imus Champion, Joker, Ka-Zar, Lady Bullseye, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Shado, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Agent Coulson, Alfred, Amanda Waller, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Jesus (TWD), Kate Bishop, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Speedy, Two Face, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

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*Opening/Pinning.

Also carried over the last proposals from the other thread and made the following additions to the list:

batman beyond- MM

brimstone- HH

silencer- HS

uncle sam- HM

vixen- HM

amanda waller- LS

psimon- HM

omen- HM

katana- HS

cap boomerang- MM

clor- HM

klaw- HM

Any other proposals?

Yeah.

How about demoting Red Hulk (no absorption shit)?

He wasn't that formidable, from what I recall.

Where do you suggest placing him?

HM for now.

Annihilus to..mh/hh?
Jesse Quick to low herald?
Obsidian to..hh?
Lex Luthor in armor to high meta?
Runner to...hh/trans?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
HM for now.

@Phil:
Annihilus to..mh/hh? Don't know enough about his 'base' state to comment.
Jesse Quick to low herald? Yes.
Obsidian to..hh? Yes.
Lex Luthor in armor to high meta? Yes.
Runner to...hh/trans? HH at most, imo. We've got the Flashes and Zoom at HH. It's a stretch to even put Runner on par with them, let alone beyond them.

Ragman mm, not too sure about his recent showings. Runner for trans. I think Annihilus for mh....maybe low but I wouldn't bet money on it.

Annihilus to..mh/hh? Don't know enough about his 'base' state to comment.
Jesse Quick to low herald? Yes.
Obsidian to..hh? Yes.
Lex Luthor in armor to high meta? Yes.
Runner to...hh/trans? HH at most, imo. We've got the Flashes and Zoom at HH. It's a stretch to even put Runner on par with them, let alone beyond them.

annihilus-->hh is he has the ccr
jesse-->lh
obsidian-->defer
luthor in armor-->i'd have thought lh but hm is fine
runner-->hard to gauge. he was more powerful than the ss, and he did run a train through thanos. his early appearances are pretty impressive as well. not sure if he was retroactively assigned the gem in all his appearances though. with the gem, he was certainly trans imo, and i think that is the version most think of when they think of him. trans for me. /shrug

i think i'd mentioned re hulk to hm meta initially too. he is another one that straddles the bounds imo. he could fit at either level.

If we're giving Runner the space gem, then yeah, probably trans.

I was thinking without the gem but, then again, he has so few appearances in general, that it'd be pretty weird to split him in two.

Lower WW to mid herald.

Originally posted by Galan007
If we're giving Runner the space gem, then yeah, probably trans.

C'mon man without space gem as well. Didn't Thanos say the gem didn't make him faster? Not to sure but didn't Runner own SS while not having space gem?

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/runner/4005-41661/forums/runner-respeck-thread-25357/

Originally posted by Deadline
C'mon man without space gem as well. Didn't Thanos say the gem didn't make him faster? Not to sure but didn't Runner own SS while not having space gem?