Originally posted by MrMind
What I'm having trouble with is why so many people think Runner is trans tier though, even with the gem I don't see him being more powerful than let's say classic adam warlock. and he has even less feats than obsidian. Marvel does not even think he can beat the flash in a race, that's why he lost to buried allen. And Barry is only HHMaybe I'm missing something
To be fair I'm not sure that his race with the flash counts. First of all it could be argued that he was overconfident but that aside the story didn't even make any sense. For starters it claimed something like theres this thing called absolute speed which is faster than light and that's the fastest you can go. The problem with that is that the Surfer has gone over that speed millions of times and so has The Runner. It's like the time that it was stated that The Champion lost to She-hulk because the power gem was linked to power primordial. That doesnt make any sense because the infinity gems have never been linked to the power primordial, not before this was stated and not after so it's like the author made up some concept to make a weaker character look good. It's like Nightcrawler beating Silver Surfer in a comic because it's stated that SS has a weakness to brimestone, that would make no sense because it's just not true.
The reason why he's trans tier is beacuse of his fight with Surfer and Thanos. I could also add that it could be argued that he should be trans tier by just being an Elder in the first place because people within that group usualy are around that level. So it's kinda like if you have a a character that's an Eternal you can assume he will probably have a certain powerset, that doesn't mean he will have matter manipulation powers on the level of Sersi or be as strong as The Forgotten One but he's going to have the usual eg flight cosmic energy manipulation etc.
From what I remember it seems most Elders are above hh. For example Obliterator is another Elder who was owning Surfer in fight. Surfer only won by altering his tech through matter manipulation. Now obvioulsy I wouldn't base putting Runner in trans tier only based on that but that could be something to add if lacking a lot of feats. Oh yeah there's his feat with Moondragon where it was shown he traveled many light years in seconds easily which contradicts the Flash absolute speed theory
One thing that could be added is that I've seen in herochat people invent a tier called 'Elite'. Which is above hh and below subskyfather. Eventhough I think most Elders are above hh I'm not sure if they would be equal to Thanos in power.
Originally posted by Bentley
Runner let's keep him out, not enough showings
I think it could be argued that based on the feats we have seen he's trans tier but if people want him out that's up to them.