Originally posted by Broly
Actually you are both wrong. We shouldn’t be doing this.
Originally posted by Surtur
Bingo, it's wrong.
Okay, is that an admission that this is one of (if not THE) most corrupt and f*cked up things an administration has ever tried to do?
I mean, the Bush/Cheney involvement with the Saudis and 9/11 is up there, too, no doubt. But they were also under the Republican banner.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Okay, is that an admission that this is one of (if not THE) most corrupt and f*cked up things an administration has ever tried to do?I mean, the Bush/Cheney involvement with the Saudis and 9/11 is up there, too, no doubt. But they were also under the Republican banner.
It is nowhere near the most f*cked up thing any administration has tried to do, but sure it's wrong.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So enlighten me: what's worse than trying to give homicidal maniacs nuclear capabilities?
See this is where you're making a mistake. I don't think you want to go down this road if you intended this topic to be about just Trump and what they tried to do. Keyword tried. We've nuked people, installed ruthless dictators into other countries, assassinated leaders, etc. We didn't attempt to do those things, we did them. More than once.
We can go down the road if you insist, if you *really* need to make this about "Orange man the most evil". Is that your intent?
This is you backhandedly defending this action by the Trump administration. I'm familiar with those sorts of things and I still think you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone they are far worse than giving homicidal maniacs nuclear capabilities. It's all awful shit, but the potential destruction of giving the masterminds of 9/11 nuclear capabilities I think trumps everything. (no pun intended)
This is action that is so hypocritical it's ridiculous. I know we've been in bed with the Saudis for a long time so it's not just Trump, but one would AT LEAST hope Trump would laugh in their face and say, "No. Absolutely no nuclear technology for you." But that's not what appears to be happening. Trump, Michael Flynn, and Thomas Barrack are a bunch of fu#king lying hypocrites who just want money.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
This is you backhandedly defending this action by the Trump administration. I'm familiar with those sorts of things and I still think you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone they are far worse than giving homicidal maniacs nuclear capabilities. It's all awful shit, but the potential destruction of giving the masterminds of 9/11 nuclear capabilities I think trumps everything. (no pun intended)This is action that is so hypocritical it's ridiculous. I know we've been in bed with the Saudis for a long time so it's not just Trump, but one would AT LEAST hope Trump would laugh in their face and say, "No. Absolutely no nuclear technology for you." But that's not what appears to be happening. Trump, Michael Flynn, and Thomas Barrack are a bunch of fu#king lying hypocrites who just want money.
I'm not defending Trump at all. I'm saying if your intent is "he is the most evil and corrupt" the answer is no that isn't true.
It does not mean what he did wasn't bad. Yes we are SOAKED in hypocrisy from everyone. Do you now see the danger? This story will not get the attention it should. Not as much as Trump getting extra ice cream or ordering fast food for people. We as a society need to reflect on why that is.
Originally posted by Surtur
This story will not get the attention it should. Not as much as Trump getting extra ice cream or ordering fast food for people. We as a society need to reflect on why that is.
I already said that...
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I think this deserves some attention, but no doubt it's not getting any.Trump Officials Tried To Rush Nuclear Technology To Saudis, House Panel Finds
I feel like Patient_Leach doesn't come from the autistic "He rEpREseNtS HaTrED aNd BigOTrY, hE's LiTtErALlY hItLEr!!!" camp of people who hate Trump.
I think he comes from the more Sam Harris-esque camp of "A lot of politicians lie, right, and it slips under the radar because there's some concealment there, but Trump just bullshits, where it's obvious he's lying and everyone accepts he's lying, and so we've gotten to a point where everyone is okay with bullshitting."
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I feel like Patient_Leach doesn't come from the autistic "He rEpREseNtS HaTrED aNd BigOTrY, hE's LiTtErALlY hItLEr!!!" camp of people who hate Trump.I think he comes from the more Sam Harris-esque camp of "A lot of politicians lie, right, and it slips under the radar because there's some concealment there, but Trump just bullshits, where it's obvious he's lying and everyone accepts he's lying, and so we've gotten to a point where everyone is okay with bullshitting."
I appreciate that.
But no one is ever going to be able to have total first-hand confirmation on any news story we read. We can only try to make sense of what we read from multiple sourses. NPR is a generally pretty well-respected source. And i found a little more, this is just a snippet...
The report's release comes amid the Trump administration's efforts to beat out competitors from Russia and China to develop multibillion-dollar nuclear power plants in Saudi Arabia — and after Trump drew sharp criticism for downplaying Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's role in the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul last year.And it comes ahead of a trip by Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and adviser, to the Middle East later this month to discuss economic development.
IP3 organized a meeting with Trump last week where executives from companies such as Westinghouse, General Electric, Exelon, Centrus Energy, NuScale, TerraPower and LightBridge pitched the president to help them win contracts in the Middle East and elsewhere. The Trump administration is already on board with that effort, and Energy Secretary Rick Perry traveled to Saudi Arabia as recently as December to discuss a nuclear power deal, including developing a so-called 123 agreement that would limit the Saudi nuclear program to civilian uses.
That 123 agreement, named for a section of the U.S. Atomic Energy Act, is designed to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons, an increasing source of tensions in the Middle East following Trump's decision to pull out of the Iranian nuclear pact. Salman has said the kingdom would quickly move to develop nuclear weaponsif Tehran succeeded in obtaining them.
But IP3 executives were preparing to move ahead with a deal to build nuclear plants in Saudi Arabia without an agreement to limit the country's program to a civilian energy production, according to the House report.