Originally posted by Robtard
I believe she said she was denied a promotion due to a pregnancy?
Nope, she has another narrative like her "Indian heritage" that just gets debunked in about 5 seconds from her previous interviews and documents regarding her position.
When she came to Congress to combat the banks and to big to fail she was a star, now she is just another terrible politician liar playing to the lcd.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Socialist!" "Communist!", "wants to give your money away!" etc is going to be the Right's attack no matter which Dem wins the nomination in 2020. It's already started. It'll be a repeat of 2008, except turned all the way up to eleven.
Idiots like you who keep downplaying the real dangers of socialism/communism are the reason those of us on the right keep bringing it up. 😉
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Idiots like you who keep downplaying the real dangers of socialism/communism are the reason those of us on the right keep bringing it up. 😉
We have "socialism" in our society now as a compact between the govt and it's citizens. That said, I prefer smaller govt and less control but I don't see the leadership we need in the future coming from republicans and normally I would say the same of democrats but I'll say it again, Yang is the man from the start.
Is there a dem running for president who doesn't wanna give our money away?
A bunch of them raised their hands when asked if illegals should get healthcare. I know some of the morons are in favor of reparations and free college for all too. Oh and they wanna forgive college loan debt. I know of one at least who wants UBI.
But grrr those piece of dog shit republicans and their *flips through rolodex* facts.
It's like a Republican getting pissy that Democrats are gonna try to argue they are pro life and against abortion.
If a true talking point of theirs being brought up triggers them perhaps it is time to change the talking point. Just a thought 🙂
Originally posted by Surtur
Is there a dem running for president who doesn't wanna give our money away?A bunch of them raised their hands when asked if illegals should get healthcare. I know some of the morons are in favor of reparations and free college for all too. Oh and they wanna forgive college loan debt. I know of one at least who wants UBI.
But grrr those piece of dog shit republicans and their *flips through rolodex* facts.
It's like a Republican getting pissy that Democrats are gonna try to argue they are pro life and against abortion.
If a true talking point of theirs being brought up triggers them perhaps it is time to change the talking point. Just a thought 🙂
A lot of what you said is accurate BUT understanding the role of the president I believe is key to their talking points. Most of us (on this forum) understand that the president isn't a "king" and can't just enact what they run on. Many of the ideas they present aren't even in the power of the executive office to control. 😉
Originally posted by snowdragon
We have "socialism" in our society now as a compact between the govt and it's citizens. That said, I prefer smaller govt and less control but I don't see the leadership we need in the future coming from republicans and normally I would say the same of democrats but I'll say it again, Yang is the man from the start.
Nah, I'll take just about any republican's leadership over just about any democrat's any day of the week. Not saying there aren't some republicans I don't dislike because there are. I don't care much for RINO neo-conservative warmongers but would probably still prefer any of them over any democrat.
The typical democrat couldn't lead a pig around the pen and even if there was a dem who stood out from most dems by not being overcome with TDS (Tulsi Gabbard is about the only sane one who comes to mind immediately) I'm still strongly opposed to their big-government, pro-abortion, open borders, and anti-2nd amendment, views.
TG is the only dem candidate running that I don't actually personally dislike and, for the most part, I like her non-interventionist views on foreign policy but I'd still never vote for her simply because of her leftist leaning political stances.
Trump is the leader we need as he's doing a great job. 😉
Originally posted by Surtur
Is there a dem running for president who doesn't wanna give our money away?A bunch of them raised their hands when asked if illegals should get healthcare.
Being the capitalist businessman that I am, providing free healthcare to illegals is what we do already. And it costs a lot. A lot a lot. You and I are paying those bills with our taxes, already.
I don't want to.
The proposed UHC system being discussed would provide better healthcare regulations, cost controls, and efficiency gains.
Providing free healthcare to illegals would literally bring down the costs for people like me and other tax-paying US Citizens.
Short-sighted idiocy, like the kind from you and Ethnolester, are why we have such terrible healthcare costs. I would like better access to healthcare, lower costs, higher quality, and better consistency in our healthcare all the while saving the average American thousands of dollars in associated healthcare costs, each year.
Thankfully, a majority agree with me.
Originally posted by Surtur
I know of one at least who wants UBI.
Yang proposed UBI but it is not enough. It needs to be $1,500 a month to be effective. But he outlined his science-based reasons for why $1,000 was better.
Also, again, UBI is a libertarian political concept. You can only have UBI in a mixed economy like the US. In a communistic economy, you don't get a UBI. You get provisions, rations, and stipends.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Nah, I'll take just about any republican's leadership over just about any democrat's any day of the week.
I'm mixed on this. I can't really support any Republican and I refuse to choose the lesser of two evils.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Not saying there aren't some republicans I don't dislike because there are. I don't care much for RINO neo-conservative warmongers but would probably still prefer any of them over any democrat.
👆 Well said.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm mixed on this. I can't really support any Republican and I refuse to choose the lesser of two evils.
And in recent news, a time traveling Adolf Hitler has joined the Democratic party. The Republican response has been predictably hostile, as noted by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:[Quote]The Republican parties loss is our gain. It's easy to criticize someones political ideology, which is a product of specific times and context. All politics are relative, after all, and Adolf Hitler was a great statesman who bolstered his countries economy, and stood over a golden age of German production. We welcome him into the Democratic Party, and I personally endorse him for presidential consideration.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Being the capitalist businessman that I am, providing free healthcare to illegals is what we do already. And it costs a lot. A lot a lot. You and I are paying those bills with our taxes, already.I don't want to.
The proposed UHC system being discussed would provide better healthcare regulations, cost controls, and efficiency gains.
Providing free healthcare to illegals would literally bring down the costs for people like me and other tax-paying US Citizens.
Short-sighted idiocy, like the kind from you and Ethnolester, are why we have such terrible healthcare costs. I would like better access to healthcare, lower costs, higher quality, and better consistency in our healthcare all the while saving the average American thousands of dollars in associated healthcare costs, each year.
Thankfully, a majority agree with me.
Yang proposed UBI but it is not enough. It needs to be $1,500 a month to be effective. But he outlined his science-based reasons for why $1,000 was better.
Also, again, UBI is a libertarian political concept. You can only have UBI in a mixed economy like the US. In a communistic economy, you don't get a UBI. You get provisions, rations, and stipends.
IMO you're not gonna get very far with your goals with the strategy you're using. Of course a majority of people want better healthcare and lower costs, the different sides might disagree on how to achieve it, but they both want it. I wonder if all those same people are in favor of giving illegals free healthcare though?
While I personally could be talked into giving them healthcare if it saved legal Americans money...you'd never get Republicans in power to agree.
Originally posted by Surtur
IMO you're not gonna get very far with your goals with the strategy you're using.
Since a majority of Americans agree with me and that majority keeps growing year over year, your opinion doesn't matter anymore. 👆
It's just a slow crawl until we implement true UHC while you continue to complain about "socialism." It takes longer for the dynastic powers on Capital Hill to retire so we can get the change the people want.
🙂
Originally posted by Surtur
I wonder if all those same people are in favor of giving illegals free healthcare though?
If they don't want to change the current system, someone should let them know that they already pay for illegals to have free healthcare. 😐
That'd be important for the anti-UHC crowd, like you, to inform the populace about. Excluding the information would be very dishonest, don't you think? 🙂
Originally posted by Surtur
While I personally could be talked into giving them healthcare if it saved legal Americans money...you'd never get Republicans in power to agree.
And this is where we agree. Not just Republicans, Democrats, as well. We have to clean out the old guard and bring in new blood that brings policies that are science-based, not tradition based.
Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]Since a majority of Americans agree with me and that majority keeps growing year over year, your opinion doesn't matter anymore. 👆
*shrugs* Okay.
If they don't want to change the current system, someone should let them know that they already pay for illegals to have free healthcare. 😐That'd be important for the anti-UHC crowd, like you, to inform the populace about. Excluding the information would be very dishonest, don't you think? 🙂
I think most people are already aware of this. They know that if an illegal immigrant goes to the ER they won't get turned away.
Originally posted by Surtur
I think most people are already aware of this. They know that if an illegal immigrant goes to the ER they won't get turned away.
Then why didn't the conservative narrative, when they were mocking the Dem candidates, include that fact?
Because it goes directly against the mockery the GOP propaganda machine was using to mock the Dems when they played the clip of them raising their hands to the question.
My position or heavy-handedness may seem a bit odd considering my usual positions on the board. But I think most people don't remember that I'm still a liberal-libertarian type. It's been a while since I had to genuinely stick up for the Dems or Obama. 🙂
Usually, I have to stick up for the GOP and Trump because of TDS and the Dem-propaganda machine.
Edit - No, I do not think most people are aware of that fact. Sure, you could probably talk someone into realizing it without actually stating it. But I don't think most people, even the vast majority of people, know that we already pay for the free healthcare of many illegals, poor, and middle class. Try 60% of people who receive medical care will have to declare bankruptcy, pay their bill in part, or negotiate prices down because they cannot pay for it. Isn't that despicable? That should make you mad.
I would like better access to healthcare, lower costs, higher quality, and better consistency in our healthcare all the while saving the average American thousands of dollars in associated healthcare costs, each year.
I'm still waiting to see how we deliver better/faster/cheaper in healthcare.....all in the same system across the USA....(hint it won't work as well as we want.)
Originally posted by snowdragon
I'm still waiting to see how we deliver better/faster/cheaper in healthcare.....all in the same system across the USA....(hint it won't work as well as we want.)
It just so happens that I go to work both sides of this conversation.
Costs were much lower, paperwork was quicker (standard forms and processes helps immensely with the administrative cost and time suck), standard operating procedures much more consistent, records more contiguous and well-maintained, and medical best practices required to be followed under Medicare compared to the non-Medicare plans.
For all the problems, bloatedness, and corruption that comes with Medicare, it's still far better in all of the following ways than the current non-Medicare market:
1. Better access to healthcare
2. Lower costs
3. Higher quality
4. Better consistency in our healthcare
I had the fee-schedules in my hand. I got to see the negotiated rate, the Usual and Customary Rates, and the required medical best practices (determined by a board of actual highly qualified medical doctors, not your local PCP in some rural town). Many times, I would see prescriptions for drugs that were contraindicated from licensed PCPs and other type of medical doctors. Because the system had enough medical best practices in it that the information would come down through the system to stop pharmacies from issuing drugs to patients that might kill them or harm them.
A universal healthcare system would allow medical records to be far better maintained which is much better for diagnoses, prognoses, treatment plans, quality of care, and consistency of care even if you move from place to place. This is considered one of the larger cost-wastes and harmful care areas that we can improve.
When you look up the costs for healthcare, less than 2% is from medical lawsuits. That's not where the major costs are. It's in the administrative costs and inefficiency costs. Both of which are greatly reduced under a universal option (which we have, already).
The average current holder of medicare paid "...(Parts A and B)...a total of $7,620 out of pocket for healthcare expenses this year.
...
Some of this amount comes from Medicare premiums, and some includes various costs such as prescription medications. In addition, total healthcare costs vary considerably by age and overall quality of health."
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/02/05/heres-the-average-americans-annual-medicare-bill.aspx
And it should be known that current medicare holders are the most costly of medical care recipients in the US.
Guess what the national average was in 2014, 3 years prior? $8,045
Guess what it is, now? over $11,000.
https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/news/average-healthcare-cost/
Do you understand that?
Their (medicare holders) out of pocket costs, despite belonging to the most costly group of medical care recipients, are still less than the average American's. 😐
Let's put it into better perspective.
People my age almost never use medical care. We don't need it. In fact, most people between 16 and 44 don't use hardly any medical care. But almost half of the population is in that age range.
So here we have this massive amount of cost for everyone and a bit more than half don't really use medical care. Meanwhile, we have a system (medicare) which costs less than the average American pays.
Do you understand my point? I'll make it simpler:
We could greatly drive down the average cost, per person, by simply expanding Medicare for all, as it is already done. That's just doing a blanket expansion to everyone. And we'd save trillions (trust me: I did that math and adjusted for inflation).
That's without implementing the major cost savings ideas brought up by you and others such as requiring higher out of pocket costs for the must used, low-cost services (such as PCP visits).
I'm all for healthy debate. But there is no healthy debate to be had. The solutions are obvious from a pure objective math-based view. Republicans and Democrats should be on board with this because it saves Americans and Businesses trillions of dollars. It makes us far more competitive. It gives the American people more money to spend and will boost our economy massively. This is the most capitalistic thing we could do right now as an American people.