Originally posted by Robtard
TIL: One can't be moderately wealthy (NetWorth:2-2.5mil) and a Democrat or socialist.In really, one can be all and there's nothing wrong with that if you've worked for your money as Sanders has. You people seem to think Sanders is the Smurf version of a classic Marxist or something.
True.
Just like a conservative who uses social services for his newly born son afflicted with downs syndrome isn't a hypocrite for believing people should be self sufficient.
The establishment corrupt media also went after Trump a hell of a lot harder than they've went after Bernie that's for damn sure.
It was just one lie after another told by the media about Trump. In fact, they still haven't stopped lying about him but sure, Trump is an "establishment" president because the media is making things so damn easy for him. 🙄
Originally posted by Surtur
It certainly does. First you pointed out candidates went after Trump as that is "part of the game". This is false, it wasn't just the candidates who went after Trump.Next you talk about the entire republican establishment going after Trump, but nobody claimed that. What was claimed is that some republicans did go after Trump and not just the ones who wanted to be president. Most came around only once it was clear Trump would be the nom.
Similarly, tons of dems are going after Bernie...not just those running.
You guys will have more of a legit complaint if the attacks do not cease if Bernie gets the nom.
You're twisting what I said and making it seem like we claimed different things, here's what I said:
Originally posted by Robtard
Candidates did go after Trump as that's part of the game, when a candidate surges, his/her rivals attack.But to say all the Republican establishment went after Trump, that is wrong. eg Roger Ailes (Trump's good buddy and fellow sexual assaulter) used the very far reaching power of Fox News to support Trump.
Candidates going after each other, especially when one is surging is standard; this is simply a fact. eg We're seeing it Right now with the Dems
I said the opposites actually. See the second paragraph.
Okay? I never claimed that only candidates attack Sanders...
The "complaint" as you call it is legit now and it will be legit if Sanders wins the nom.
Originally posted by Surtur
So in what positive ways does Bernie use his wealth? Positive for society not for Bernie Sanders.Lets skip any mention of giving to charities. Even greedy billionaires can claim that.
Your silly attempt at railroading the narrative, Sanders does "good" by being himself and sticking largely to his core beliefs that he has for decades.
Originally posted by Robtard
Your silly attempt at railroading the narrative, Sanders does "good" by being himself and sticking largely to his core beliefs that he has for decades.
What specifically does he do with his wealth that is positive, in your opinion? Genuinely curious, I can't claim to be an expert.
You're angle seems to be that a millionaire must give, or they're shit, that is flawed.
AFAIK, Sanders tax plan is to leave the $0.00 to $250K people at the same rate (or basically the same rate) as it is now. People who make more than $250K a year will get hit higher. ie He's not a millionaire fighting to millionaires/billionaires are tax break.
Though honestly, I still feel a flat rate for all would make the most sense. eg everyone pays some number between 25-30%. Also do away with the loopholes and exemptions that are there to just help the super-rich.
eg Not using your wealth to sway politics and policies that favors the wealthy (especially at the expense of others) is a form of using one's wealth properly
Though this angle that Sanders is some "highroller" millionaire is silly Rightist nonsense, spins and smears, he is worth 2-2.5 million, that seems to be largely tied into a few properties he owns. Sure he's well off, but he's not Trump or Bloomberg.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Hm.. okay, I may have to try that now. Thanks.That's not the biggest problem, though. Of course Trumpists will attack him. But even CNN is misrepresenting him. Please go read the title and watch the video of what Surt so disingenuously posted (I think on the previous page).
NP
Because Sander's is an "independent" and the Dem establishment wants one of their own.
Originally posted by RobtardI also think a flat tax rate is the way to go. No more IRS, or a greatly reduced IRS, is good imo.
I still feel a flat rate for all would make the most sense. eg everyone pays some number between 25-30%. Also do away with the loopholes and exemptions that are there to just help the super-rich.
Not trying to derail, but if there was a flat tax of 25-30%, would you be for or against a much lower, or no, sales tax? Also, would you want to tax investments and estates of the deceased?
Regarding last night's debate. Warren was on the war path (pun intended). Bloomberg looked very weak, but has 1 or 2 good jabs at Bernie. The rest were meh imo.
Originally posted by Badabing
I also think a flat tax rate is the way to go. No more IRS, or a greatly reduced IRS, is good imo.Not trying to derail, but if there was a flat tax of 25-30%, would you be for or against a much lower, or no, sales tax? Also, would you want to tax investments and estates of the deceased?
Regarding last night's debate. Warren was on the war path (pun intended). Bloomberg looked very weak, but has 1 or 2 good jabs at Bernie. The rest were meh imo.
I'm all for the IRS being streamlined as well.
I'd let sales tax remain a state-level issue. Personally, I'd like to see the tax reduced a wee bit in California, we have the highest still, iirc.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Jesus Christ, people. Watch the video. CNN's title is total bullshit.
Normally, I mess up, I take my floggings like an adult and admit fault. But I didn't mess up when I called Sanders a hypocrite.
But there's no way around this and you need to reassess your opinion a bit:
Q: “If nominated, would you accept help from billionaires like Bloomberg and if not, why throw away something that can make a huge difference in winning 2020?”A: “I think I can speak for all of the other Democratic candidates, many of whom are longtime friends of mine. Which is on day one when I announced my candidacy, I said, obviously, we were going to do everything that I could to win, but if I did not win the nomination, I would support vigorously the candidate who would won, because Donald Trump must be defeated.”
Originally posted by Badabing
I also think a flat tax rate is the way to go. No more IRS, or a greatly reduced IRS, is good imo.
I recommend the Fair Tax Plan over the Flat Tax Plan: