Originally posted by Robtard
"Populism/populist" was what I heard non-stop about Trump from his supporters in 2016. They've largely stopped that, realizing he's as establishment and feed-the-rich as they come.
Frankly, at this point, I'd rather see him in office over Trump after 2020. That is going to come with fairly large impacts to our stocks etc but if he can provide some parity for the working man vs corporations it might be worth it.
Realistically, even the most "powerful" leader of the world still doesn't have the power to do what he wants if elected vs corporations, real colors of all politicians will come out though if he wins.
Those are some of the reasons I supported Nader as well but third party just means noise to cancel out in american politics.
Democrats should be celebrating because they will never have to truly come out and say whether or not they'd vote for Bloomberg(as some here have wisely avoided answering). Oh he'll still be all kinds of stupid and continue to throw money at this, but he's done.
His "Our best known socialist is a millionaire with 3 houses" burn on Bernie couldn't even help him.
Originally posted by Surtur
LOL@ you talking about integrity. Don't complain about me posting "tabloid" bullshit since you have no issues when people here pounce on any and every anonymous source that says something negative about Trump. The fact is you got buttmad over the hypocrisy of him and his campaign.Trump has this stuff done to him all the time, you don't like it being done to your precious Bernie?
Wrong. Trump is attacked by the Left, not his own side. Bernie is attacked by the Right AND establishment Democrats (which shows you he's ACTUALLY doing something right). That's the difference. That CNN link was intentionally misleading because they know most people aren't going to watch the actual video, so the title puts words in Bernie's mouth. He never said what the title suggests. You're helping spread the bullshit. Good job.
Originally posted by Robtard
Two thinks, PL:-Use the quick-quote function when it clears out what you're quoting, it's next to the quote button
Hm.. okay, I may have to try that now. Thanks.
Originally posted by Robtard
-Bernie's doing well, it's why Team Trump is attacking and smearing him more and more. It's a good thing actually, if Bernie was flopping, they'd not bother
That's not the biggest problem, though. Of course Trumpists will attack him. But even CNN is misrepresenting him. Please go read the title and watch the video of what Surt so disingenuously posted (I think on the previous page).
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Wrong. Trump is attacked by the Left, not his own side. Bernie is attacked by the Right AND establishment Democrats (which shows you he's ACTUALLY doing something right). That's the difference. That CNN link was intentionally misleading because they know most people aren't going to watch the actual video, so the title puts words in Bernie's mouth. He never said what the title suggests. You're helping spread the bullshit. Good job.
I can’t really remember the primaries back then, but wasn’t Trump attacked by BOTH sides whilst he was seeking the Repub nomination? I don’t recall unanimous Repub support towards Trump back then, but that’s just me. My memory of the events back then is not very good.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I think the Republican establishment was hesitant to accept him initially, yes.But they're fully su#king his d!ck now.
I don't see that happening with Sanders and the Democratic establishment, though, because Sanders can't be bought. He's actually going up against the insanely wealthy billionaires.
Well yeah. Cuz he won and he’s President. We gotta be apples to apples here, though. Were they behind Trump during the Repub nominations (before he became the Repub nominee)? I feel like mudslinging MUST have been at full swing back then (ppl pretty much dismissed him from what I remember).
We don’t really know what’ll happen when Sanders wins the nom and the Presidency. But I don’t see Demoncrats going against their elected nominee (Esp when he’s running against Trump)/President, though. I feel like folks pretty much stay within party lines, but we’ll see.
I think the question is: would the Democratic establishment rather continue to have Trump in office over Sanders?
That's the big question. I suspect they'd rather put a shitty candidate up against Trump (not Sanders with the popularity and votes to win) so there's poor voter turnout again and Trump gets re-elected. The establishment would rather see status quo instead of a President who actually wants to represent the people and give them the power back.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I think the question is: would the Democratic establishment rather continue to have Trump in office over Sanders?That's the big question. I suspect they'd rather put a shitty candidate up against Trump (not Sanders with the popularity and votes to win) so there's poor voter turnout again and Trump gets re-elected. The establishment would rather see status quo instead of a President who actually wants to represent the people and give them the power back.
My point was just that the comparison you made was not apples-to-apples.
While the republican media and party might be kissing Trump’s butt now, it is not right to compare party-treatment of post-election Trump with pre-nom Sanders. A better comparison would be pre-nom Trump.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yeah, I got it the first time.My point is: would the Democrats rather have a mediocre, status-quo candidate lose to Trump instead of nominating Sanders who could actually win and threaten the weathly status quo?
Idunno.
Might be right. Or it might not be. Maybe they’re aiming for someone who is more marketable? Maybe being old white male with commie inclinations might alienate too much of the dem voterbase while energizing the voters on the right who are afraid of socialism?
Again, Idunno. I’m not a political analyst.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yeah, I got it the first time.My point is: would the Democrats rather have a mediocre, status-quo candidate lose to Trump instead of nominating Sanders who could actually win and threaten the weathly status quo?
Stop this bullshit. Sanders does not threaten the wealthy status quo. Like all politicians, Sanders bends to their wills.
Sanders is the same man that wants to tax the 1% more money, yet when he became a millionaire himself, he payed less than 10%.
The man now owns 3 houses.
Sanders like all politicians is a crook.
Originally posted by SquallX
Stop this bullshit. Sanders does not threaten the wealthy status quo. Like all politicians, Sanders bends to their wills.Sanders is the same man that wants to tax the 1% more money, yet when he became a millionaire himself, he payed less than 10%.
The man now owns 3 houses.
Sanders like all politicians is a crook.
😂
I would encourage you to figure out how much more a "billion" is than a "million." Millionaires are not the problem.