Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So PIS. Thanks.
Remember the Forum Rules are actually determined by how many Angry Hate PM"s The Mods get by nasty little pustules.
That is How KMC Works..
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't let him bully you, carv.He may be yellow and you may be green, but remember, Hal overcame his weakness, so can you!
Case in Point.
Originally posted by carver9
Good that we know from this point on we disagree with this debating style on the forum. I debate in character, you debate powerset. I'm ok with you debating your way. We know what to expect from each other.🙂
No need to continue with this since you will NOT change my mind.
It's not power set debating. It's character debating. Is Superman stupid enough to let Hulk hit him? In character? Ignoring plot which we do not take into account on the forum?
I can get a mod ruling AGAIN. Then you can sulk off again, hopefully for good?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not power set debating. It's character debating. Is Superman stupid enough to let Hulk hit him? In character? Ignoring plot which we do not take into account on the forum?I can get a mod ruling AGAIN. Then you can sulk off again, hopefully for good?
Like I've said, I'm debating the character "in character". I'm ok with you debating in your fashion. Do what you what to do but if you decide to reply to my posts, expect me to use the in-chatacter rule and on panel scans as a reference of what will take place in a battle. Debate any way you want to Mr. Saint. I'm not asking you to change.
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Stop acting like an a** by the way.
Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said, I'm debating the character "in character". I'm ok with you debating in your fashion. Do what you what to do but if you decide to reply to my posts, expect me to use the in-chatacter rule and on panel scans as a reference of what will take place in a battle. Debate any way you want to Mr. Saint. I'm not asking you to change.🙂
Stop acting like an a** by the way.
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😂. I am indeed using the in character rule.
In character, Superman isn't going to keep at the same speed he was at if he's in danger of losing. We saw this with Doomsday - when the chips were down, he kept increasing his speed and put more strength in his hits.
In character, he's not stupid. Nor is he a masochist, enjoying the pain of getting hit. I can provide scans of this.
So IF he continually gets hit, it's either because of PIS, or the opponent is just that fast. If Hulk is not as fast, then he has nothing, I'm afraid.
didn't i just have a huge thread devoted to this topic? this debate about what's a valid debate strategy? 😂
i actually see both sides of this. i PREFER carver's strategy here and i understand fully why he sees it as power set debating. but by the strictest rules of the forum ds's approach is equally valid. i really dislike that approach though for the simple fact that it removes the character from the medium that is used to DEFINE HIS CHARACTER.
we're essentially saying--here is a fictional character. LITERALLY everything we know about said character we know based on the medium (comics in this case). but what happens here? we REMOVE said character from the medium and apply real world logic (something that is constantly railed against in the forum) to say--IF said character were to exist OUTSIDE THE MEDIUM THAT FULLY DEFINES HIM, THEN he/she/it would behave in this manner....
that's obviously because along with defining said character, the medium also LIMITS said character (in the form of the too-often-cited PIS). but we really do pick and choose when we draw the type of distinction ds is making--again a perfectly valid forum argument. the medium says, over and over, that superman would get hit here. the VAST bulk of evidence supports this fact. logic says he wouldn't.
the discrepancy can not be reconciled. no where else in the entire world i suspect, is the weight of evidence more meaningless than in this type of setting. 😂
but if carver can't use evidence from the medium that defines superman as proof he would get hit, what DOES he use here? nothing? then this is a non-argument (as i know some feel it to be). but that assertion is contradicted directly and often within the medium itself! we've even SEEN hulk and superman fight--multiple times. and NONE of their battles support the non-argument stance. nor ds's stance for that matter. again, if we can't use DIRECT, ON PANEL PROOF to say ds's version of how this would go down is wrong, and we resort to a simply real world, logical stance, what's the point in turning to the comics at all?
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"What's the point of turning to the comics at all". EXACTLY. It's as simple as this. If I go into a Surfer and Thor thread and post showings where Thor has actually beat Surfer majority of the time, my argument can be reversed by Darksaint posting matter manipulation, Surfer going intangible, he didnt create a black hole, etc, etc... lol, what's the point of using scans? No matter what Darkseid have done, a case can be made of Surfer or Firestorm pulling a high majority. HP Doomsday, Surfer opens a black hole in his brain or simy absorbs him into his board or bfr him 10/10.
Beings like Thor, Surfer, Firestorm, Captain Atom, Martian Manhunter become hax AF. Hyperion held 2 universes apart and survived 2 universes exploding on him. He stands in one spot while all of the high heralds pound on him and he doesnt receive a scratch. Crazy thing is, Darksaint not too long ago was using worms affecting Hyperion as a standard showing of his durability. This debating style that is going around on KMC is questionable at best. I'm debating my way. Been doing it longer than almost anyone here. I will continue posting scans proving my case and WILL NOT resort to debating powerset as a standard. Darksaint, do you boo boo. I dont mind.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
😂. I am indeed using the in character rule.In character, Superman isn't going to keep at the same speed he was at if he's in danger of losing. We saw this with Doomsday - when the chips were down, he kept increasing his speed and put more strength in his hits.
In character, he's not stupid. Nor is he a masochist, enjoying the pain of getting hit. I can provide scans of this.
So IF he continually gets hit, it's either because of PIS, or the opponent is just that fast. If Hulk is not as fast, then he has nothing, I'm afraid.
So if I post the showing of him NOT using his speed when he is in danger, does that counter your argument? Or do we just accept the showing you mentioned over the showing/S I can post? Let me know, lil Pookie.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Full capacity rules. Means that even though, for example, the Flash doesn't clock his opponents in the very first millisecond of every comic fight, on the forum, it's a viable tactic. As he has that level of speed.Sure, forum Hulk is powerful. But forum Hulk doesn't have this level of speed.
100 square feet is still plenty of room to dance around. Tyson and Ali did it on far less, and the gap between these two and their opponents is far smaller than that between Hulk and Superman.
Edit: this is Ali, in an area much smaller than 10 feet by 10 feet.
That full capacity ruling didn't seem to sway your opinion when it came to Gladiator vs Orion. One guy can dodge blazers, and the other is ridiculously faster than the speed of light. Just saying.
Originally posted by carver9
Darksaint, do you boo boo.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
didn't Immortal Hulk survive a punch from grandmaster whos in the trans-skyfather range?or did they depower the guy? i heard he couldn't break the world by himself
He never attempted to do it himself. The entirety of the Avengers couldnt hurt him (Hulk hurt him in 2 punches though). The only time they were successful at damaging him was when Wanda amped all of them with Chaos magic.
He was insanely powerful. He disintegrated the Grandmaster with a single blast...
Originally posted by Supermutant
YouTube video
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Listen to the words in this video Saint. Do you boo boo. Do you because I am going to do me.
Originally posted by carver9
He never attempted to do it himself. The entirety of the Avengers couldnt hurt him (Hulk hurt him in 2 punches though). The only time they were successful at damaging him was when Wanda amped all of them with Chaos magic.He was insanely powerful. He disintegrated the Grandmaster with a single blast...
what has that grandmaster demonstrated that makes disintegrating him so impressive