Originally posted by Stoic
That full capacity ruling didn't seem to sway your opinion when it came to Gladiator vs Orion. One guy can dodge blazers, and the other is ridiculously faster than the speed of light. Just saying.
That's because you ran away.
I ask again. Were both characters allowed full capacity? You then disappeared.
Answer it and you will see how foolish your argument is.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWFinally, somebody getting back on topic 👆
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Originally posted by CarvinatorDo you boo boo. Do you because I am going to do me.
If Carver was a phrase, this would be it.
Originally posted by leonidas
didn't i just have a huge thread devoted to this topic? this debate about what's a valid debate strategy? 😂i actually see both sides of this. i PREFER carver's strategy here and i understand fully why he sees it as power set debating. but by the strictest rules of the forum ds's approach is equally valid. i really dislike that approach though for the simple fact that it removes the character from the medium that is used to DEFINE HIS CHARACTER.
we're essentially saying--here is a fictional character. LITERALLY everything we know about said character we know based on the medium (comics in this case). but what happens here? we REMOVE said character from the medium and apply real world logic (something that is constantly railed against in the forum) to say--IF said character were to exist OUTSIDE THE MEDIUM THAT FULLY DEFINES HIM, THEN he/she/it would behave in this manner....
that's obviously because along with defining said character, the medium also LIMITS said character (in the form of the too-often-cited PIS). but we really do pick and choose when we draw the type of distinction ds is making--again a perfectly valid forum argument. the medium says, over and over, that superman would get hit here. the VAST bulk of evidence supports this fact. logic says he wouldn't.
the discrepancy can not be reconciled. no where else in the entire world i suspect, is the weight of evidence more meaningless than in this type of setting. 😂
but if carver can't use evidence from the medium that defines superman as proof he would get hit, what DOES he use here? nothing? then this is a non-argument (as i know some feel it to be). but that assertion is contradicted directly and often within the medium itself! we've even SEEN hulk and superman fight--multiple times. and NONE of their battles support the non-argument stance. nor ds's stance for that matter. again, if we can't use DIRECT, ON PANEL PROOF to say ds's version of how this would go down is wrong, and we resort to a simply real world, logical stance, what's the point in turning to the comics at all?
mmm
But I'm not ignoring on panel proof.
Does Superman possess speed of the level I say he does? Yes. *Insert scan*
Does he possess the intelligence to not get hit? Yes. *Insert scan*
Does he get hit in comics? Yes, of course. *Carver inserts scan*
So how do we use basic logic? When expert MAers, noobs, kids, intelligent animals, even insects know better than to get hit.....That means every time Superman or his ilk get hit BY SOMEONE SLOWER, it's PIS. PLOT based .
EVERY TIME.
Steve Trevor can tag Cheetah. Did she WANT to get hit? Is Steve FASTER than her? Course not. It was for plot.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cap America just made Namor with all his righteous rage bleed.When Thor and She Hulk, she of the Celestial beating power, plus Cap Marvel, were unable to.
On panel evidence shows therefore that Cap is > all of those.
Sure, sure, PIS, right?
EVERY time a speedster is tagged by someone slower, is PIS.
your pretty ignorant tbh
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cap America just made Namor with all his righteous rage bleed.When Thor and She Hulk, she of the Celestial beating power, plus Cap Marvel, were unable to.
On panel evidence shows therefore that Cap is > all of those.
Sure, sure, PIS, right?
EVERY time a speedster is tagged by someone slower, is PIS.
Wouldn't that go against your statement though? Lol. You're using rare occasions for Cap as an argument for Superman. Superman getting his head caved in by bricks and getting dodged by beings that doesnt even have Hulk speed fts are the norm. WTF. How are you going to mention an abnormal, non rarely happening showing as evidence of Superman blitzing around his opponent when that doesnt even happen, almost at all? Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
your pretty ignorant tbh
Says the guy who uses fan theories as fact?
Here's a mod ruling for ya:
-Is it a part of their powerset and has been used occasionally enough (ie, like, a dozen times, maybe) that they won't forget they can use it?
-Can they access this power/ability right now?
-Will not using it cost them the fight?And that right there? That's arguably the most important question.
If the answer to all three of those is yes, then they're most likely going to use the power/ability. Either their opponent can stand up to it, or they can't.