weapon h vs superman

And why I said the following in relation to this thread:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Leo was inspired to make this thread after reading the "Doomsday Rex" saga.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So very context specific....not analogous here, as Superman isn't taking time to use glass to encase Weapon H....

Do you have speed feats for Equus to say he's slow?

Because using your logic, he's fast enough to exclaim holy crap even as Supergirl uses super speed punches....

I see a lot of scans being thrown around, blue.

Maybe you've decided that you don't want to engage with me, for whatever reason. Maybe you think I'm being insulting, or whatever. Or think I'm trying to get a rise out of you, get your attention etc.

But your previous logic said that DOS Doomsday was slow, because a normal human had time to exclaim and react to his punching of Superman.

So if Equus was able to react to a blitz from Supergirl (and even catch her fists mid strike), that means to him, Supergirls blitzes are slow.

So he's....Pretty darn fast, right? Unless Supergirl is just that slow?

And if he IS that fast.....That negates your entire Equus argument. As weapon H has nothing to suggest he's on the level of a guy who catches blitzing Kryptonians.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see a lot of scans being thrown around, blue.

Maybe you've decided that you don't want to engage with me, for whatever reason. Maybe you think I'm being insulting, or whatever. Or think I'm trying to get a rise out of you, get your attention etc.

But your previous logic said that DOS Doomsday was slow, because a normal human had time to exclaim and react to his punching of Superman.

So if Equus was able to react to a blitz from Supergirl (and even catch her fists mid strike), that means to him, Supergirls blitzes are slow.

So he's....Pretty darn fast, right? Unless Supergirl is just that slow?

And if he IS that fast.....That negates your entire Equus argument. As weapon H has nothing to suggest he's on the level of a guy who catches blitzing Kryptonians.

Is she that slow, or is he that fast?

And Equus tanked her attacks pretty well.

Is Supergirl that weak? Or is Equus that tough?

Originally posted by cdtm
This is an old argument. Everybody knows comic book characters are only as effective as plot needs them to be.

Blue could post scans from Hush of Batman outmaneuvering Superman. Superman still takes him in a nano-second on the boards.

And not, the comic showing doesn't show his "character". There's ooc, there's cis, and there's pis. Knowing which is which, requires some knowledge of the characters in question, and some common sense.

Doomsday Rex doesn't support what you're saying, though does it? For after this scene:

... we're treated to the following:

Note that even after getting trashed to the point of having needed resuscitation by Black Lightning, and weakened by Kryptonite, and having seen the hero he called the most powerful being on Earth beaten by Doomsday, he STILL ultimately chooses to ALLOW Doomsday to take free shots at him, confident he himself will still be able to put Doomsday down ...

(Which he does.)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We don't transfer feats, right?

So how does Weapon H use his luck powers? What feats does he have?

So far all I've seen is with his luck stacked on Logan's speed and Sabes and Warpath etc, bullets are still fast enough to hit him.

Imagine now instead of bullets, it were punches. Or HV.

At superspeed.

Again, two relatively close combatants in terms of speed, in a similar sized area as OP, could do this:

Is anyone suggesting Weapon H is close to Superman like in my gif? Even IF they are close, Ali is still literally dancing around.

good grief man.... i've said repeatedly that it is a special STIPULATION of the thread. because wh has few feats, i've granted him his POTENTIAL. the whole in character thing came up later. the OP still stands however--hence he has domino's luck powers.

But Chulk's full potential is Hulk.

He was held back only by Cho's mindset.

Clay, a trained killer, doesn't have that problem. So he can access Chos full potential.

Which is .... 😈

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see a lot of scans being thrown around, blue.

Maybe you've decided that you don't want to engage with me, for whatever reason. Maybe you think I'm being insulting, or whatever. Or think I'm trying to get a rise out of you, get your attention etc.

But your previous logic said that DOS Doomsday was slow, because a normal human had time to exclaim and react to his punching of Superman.

So if Equus was able to react to a blitz from Supergirl (and even catch her fists mid strike), that means to him, Supergirls blitzes are slow.

So he's....Pretty darn fast, right? Unless Supergirl is just that slow?

And if he IS that fast.....That negates your entire Equus argument. As weapon H has nothing to suggest he's on the level of a guy who catches blitzing Kryptonians.

You're definitely trying to get my attention, but only some of what you're posting is relevant enough to fully warrant responding to. Mind you, I don't MIND going down rabbit holes with you and almost anyone else on occasion, but I do feel SOME obligation to keep info pertinent to the thread discussion. There's only so much time in a day.

For this point with Equus, for instance.
Waste of time.

Point isn't that Superman is slow. It's that he doesn't bother to dodge. Sometimes he doesn't even bother to block, just takes hits full on.
At least in initial encounters.
Sometimes in return engagements.
And he does do habitually.

You've yet to actually address this assertion by either me or Leonidas.

Kill those vile heralds of the Luciferian Age, blue 👆

Having said that, though, I'm a firm believer in not only backing up assertions, but providing material for discussions, present and future.

No, I DON'T consider Equus any great speedster, nor do I see where he has any great preoccupation with being speedy. Supergirl is inexperienced and out of sorts in that encounter.

Moreover here's the outing that goaded Equus into going after the 2 people that attracted Kara's attention to begin with:

I missed Blue a lot. Still can't fully read one of his posts, but just having him around is a treat.

I hate all of you.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You're definitely trying to get my attention, but only some of what you're posting is relevant enough to fully warrant responding to. Mind you, I don't MIND going down rabbit holes with you and almost anyone else on occasion, but I do feel SOME obligation to keep info pertinent to the thread discussion. There's only so much time in a day.

For this point with Equus, for instance.
Waste of time.

Point isn't that Superman is slow. It's that he doesn't bother to dodge. Sometimes he doesn't even bother to block, just takes hits full on.
At least in initial encounters.
Sometimes in return engagements.
And he does do habitually.

You've yet to actually address this assertion by either me or Leonidas.

What if Equus was just so fast,Superman was unable to dodge?

Again: Equus is fast enough to catch a blitzing Kryptonian mid strike. Can't dodge (or can't attempt/register to dodge) if your opponent is just that quick.

Unless Supergirl is so slow that he's able to catch her?

So the only waste of time is with your scans as if they prove something.

Because Weapon H has not shown that he has that speed. Even IF we give him Wolverine's greatest speed feats, he's not catching Supergirl mid strike.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I hate all of you.

Sounds just like something a herald of the Luciferian Age would say!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sounds just like something a herald of the Luciferian Age would say!

With Pope Carver IX currently covering The One Below Allk, Paul would fit right in as a Bishop or even a Cardinal if he so desires.

Hail Brucifer!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What if Equus was just so fast,Superman was unable to dodge?

Again: Equus is fast enough to catch a blitzing Kryptonian mid strike. Can't dodge (or can't attempt/register to dodge) if your opponent is just that quick.

Unless Supergirl is so slow that he's able to catch her?

So the only waste of time is with your scans as if they prove something.

Because Weapon H has not shown that he has that speed. Even IF we give him Wolverine's greatest speed feats, he's not catching Supergirl mid strike.

If Equus was so fast Superman was unable to dodge his strikes, Equus wouldn't have been so slow that Triplicate Girl could flip him.

And besides being disoriented, Supergirl showed about as much concern about either hitting or being hit by her opponents to that point as her more famous cousin does:

Yet KK was too slow to hit Supergirl.

But was fast enough to tag Equus.

IOW, maybe this whole 'who tags whom' is a bit....Shaky in the first place?

A bit....PIS?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet KK was too slow to hit Supergirl.

But was fast enough to tag Equus.

IOW, maybe this whole 'who tags whom' is a bit....Shaky in the first place?

A bit....PIS?

More likely you're just not bothering to actually look at the scans provided.

"Too slow to hit Supergirl"?
Seriously?

Look at her luciferian eyes.

That artist sure likes to draw beefy legs. The arms also look pretty fat with no muscle definition.