Weapon X does have Domino's luck ability. And is possibly supersonic with having Pak Warpath's abilities(deflected bullets back at the shooter at least). He hasn't beat a speedster on Kal's level, but I'd guess that is where arguments for him tagging Supes would begin.
Very few feats to draw from, so not saying he definitely can or can't. He isn't just Wolverine+Hulk though.
Imo, every Superman thread should be 'speed equalized' because it's boring otherwise, unless there's a Flash/Reverse Flash in there. It's like telepathy, but worse, because you don't have "resistance to speed". As an opponent, you're just...not starting the fight.
Either that, or we treat his actions in a fight as not making any sense, and something that no one would ever do.
Originally posted by Philosophia
if we can't agree that "dodging is good. getting hit is bad." in regards, to Superman, well ...
I suppose you'll be perfectly fine in thinking Superman does not, in character, take unnecessary hits. Especially not if he has reason to think the opponent is strong and dangerous. And proved it by besting several of his Justice League teammates.
You'll be able to convince yourself of that for a very long time.
Just don't slip up and actually read any well-known Superman comic where he fights against a Hulk-like opponent.
Let alone any Hulk-like opponents with claws, of all #%^*ing things ...
Doomsday.
Konvikt.
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and i'm not actually trying to drive phil crazy but it seems incredibly odd to me that we are so completely--and so often--willingly disregarding the very thing that gives us everything we ever talk about on here--namely the comics.
again, i would NOT say superman was dumb for deciding to take a hit--even a huge hit. he's been hit, literally, 1000s upon 1000s of times, and it rarely means anything to him. it is rare in comics where he actually EXPRESSES pain, and when he does, it is usually accompanied by sheer surprise. he doesn't 'not dodge' because he's dumb--at least not any dumber than we are for not jumping out of the way of an ant crawling on the sidewalk. the ant still hits me but do i care? i'm pretty sure this mentality has been expressed by superman on panel more than once. THAT mentality is every bit as reasonable as calling PIS in.....almost every single one of his appearances? is it really more reasonable to ignore almost every single showing than it is to accept an alternative explanation to PIS?
honest question for everyone, mods included: how often DOES something have to happen for it to be considered IN CHARACTER? phil and others say that wh should be a statue. in 99.999999% of his appearances, superman definitively does NOT see the world in that way. so how can it possibly be considered IN CHARACTER for him to see the world that way in a forum match?
it seems to me (i may well be alone here) that by saying yes, he can legit, and in character, see wh as a statue, that we are simply and blatantly ignoring the vast, vast VAST majority of superman's showings. wouldn't that disparity be enough to say that seeing wh that way WOULD and SHOULD be considered out of character? if not that, then....what, aside from saying superman tries to kill him, WOULD be ooc?
as i've said, there ARE legit reasons for superman NOT seeing the world this way, and even for getting hit: he'd be bored. he'd feel more alienated. he'd be further highlighting his differences from humans. habit. a genuine sense of near invulnerability. over confidence. a sincere belief he is simply more powerful than whomever he faces based on his huge number of victories. etc... none of those would indicate he is retarded, and all of them reflect areas of his CHARACTER that have been shown in comics--where his character is determined.
maybe i'm over thinking. lol but it feels like falling back on PIS all the time (which happens...a LOT here) really doesn't take into account the character of the character. it feels like the easy way to go and that route devolves quickly into power set battles. there are other forums for that--we usually make fun of them.
so, where is the line between full capacity and character? where do we draw the line between a tiny fraction of high feats and what is considered out of character? legit questions. and my 'hidden agenda' is really not so hidden. i'd just really like to see more, and better discussion in the forum. maybe looking more closely at what is and isn't out of character is a way to engender some of that.
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(btw, good catch style--domino's luck power would almost guarantee wh gets in some hits, despite the fact that he is standing still or spinning in circles. 👆)
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Originally posted by StyleTime
Weapon X does have Domino's luck ability. And is possibly supersonic with having Pak Warpath's abilities(deflected bullets back at the shooter at least). He hasn't beat a speedster on Kal's level, but I'd guess that is where arguments for him tagging Supes would begin.Very few feats to draw from, so not saying he definitely can or can't. He isn't just Wolverine+Hulk though.
Wait wait, he has Domino's luck ability AND Warpath's abilities? Can he fly to?
Well, my take on this is.....Why are they fighting?
I'm not saying Superman enters this match bloodlusted, thinking Weapon H has just killed Lois. What I am saying is he enters the match determined to fight. He's not bored, he doesn't care about alienation, whatever. He's here to slug it out, he's here to win, he's not here to talk his opponent down or whatever.
He gets slashed (and this is ASSUMING as the blades pierce his skin, he doesn't flinch or realise he's getting slashed, whatever).
Then what? He now knows Weapon H can hurt him. As you say, he's not stupid.
What he do?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait wait, he has Domino's luck ability AND Warpath's abilities? Can he fly to?
It's not been shown...He's meant to have all of Weapon Xs powers. Whether they stack or not is anybody's guess. He hasn't shown Domino's powers yet afaik, nor has he flown, but if we ARE assuming he has them, then we'll have to start sharing feats I guess.
Originally posted by bluewaterrideror ya know...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16842989&highlight=userid%3A110322#post16842989I suppose you'll be perfectly fine in thinking Superman does not, in character, take unnecessary hits. Especially not if he has reason to think the opponent is strong and dangerous. And proved it by besting several of his Justice League teammates.
You'll be able to convince yourself of that for a very long time.
Just don't slip up and actually read any well-known Superman comic where he fights against a Hulk-like opponent.
Let alone any Hulk-like opponents with [b]claws
, of all #%^*ing things ...Doomsday.
Konvikt.[/B]
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not been shown...He's meant to have all of Weapon Xs powers. Whether they stack or not is anybody's guess. He hasn't shown Domino's powers yet afaik, nor has he flown, but if we ARE assuming he has them, then we'll have to start sharing feats I guess.
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He definitely has Lady Deathstrike's adamantium nanobots stuff.
Otherwise he wouldn't be capable of switching between his Hulk and normal forms. Or popping his claws with his wrist bent. Or forming spikes, etc.
