The Westboro Baptist Church

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Emphasis on seem. The appearance of design is not necessarily evidence of design. Similarly, the appearance of instinct could be a confluence of environmental and social factors.

Well, you can look at studies that prove humans have instinctual behavior.

For example, there are people who are blind, thar puff out their chest in a display of pride. Something clearly impossible for them to have learned through observation/environment.

And if I may insert my own conjecture: Is not to be human, to feel?

If feelings are who we are, can one learn to feel in a specific way?

Can you "learn" to be happy? Or are you simply "are", or "are not"?

Originally posted by Deadline
...Look it's an assumption to assume that people are doing things primarily because of their religion. ...

Lol, it's not an assumption if they say that's why they're doing it and it's in their holy doctrine. But whatever, guy. 🙄

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea but you're primarily trying to put the blame on religion. The point is that Western intelligence agencies are the primary cause of Islamic Terrorism not Islam.

Warning this article has some disturbing shit. It’s titled, "Why We Hate You and Why We Fight You."
http://www.oswego.edu/~delancey/314_DIR/WhyWeHateYou.pdf

Originally posted by Deadline
If you want to argue about a diety called Zeus who is an old white guy that lives on a mountain and if you want to argue about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins then you have a point about the specific aspects of certain faiths.

Yup, that is mainly the point, because those are the sorts of unsubstantiated claim believers make. 👆

Originally posted by Deadline
But you are incorrect in the idea that the existance of gods are illogical. You can deduce that beings like gods probably exist just by looking at nature. Bacteria exists, insects exist, animals exist and humans exist it stands to reason that more likely than not other beings out there more powerful than human beings exist. The reason why you come to that conclusion is because you can already observe a hierarchy of lifeforms that already exsist. So it's like this 2=bacteria, 4=insects, 6=animals, 8=humans whats the next number? The next number is probably 10. It might not be but it probably is. So belief in gods is based on inference while Atheism is based on.....I dunno i guess some strange vendetta you have with Christians.

Atheism isn’t about trying to disprove the existence of some deistic entity (that would shift the burden of proof anyway). If you want to believe in some deistic god, feel free. It’s the personal Gods who answer prayers and are very interested in the gender of the person in your bed that there is no substantial evidence for. So in essence it’s about preventing the sorts of beliefs that can lead to theocracy.

Originally posted by Deadline
You're also kinda immature anyone whos lived long enough and has read enough history knows you can't make sweeping generlizations like athiesm is married to rationality because you're dealing with humans, all humans can be irrational. The fact that Stalin and Mao killed so many people proves this,

Of course people are still individuals. There’s semi-rational people who self-label as believers and totally irrational people that call themselves atheists. I get it. And there’s plenty of other influences at play, power, corruption, greed, etc. Like Adam_P said, Fascism. But if you honestly and fairly represent the atheist worldview (which you are not) it’s not some evil force. There's no atheist manifesto with dangerous dogmas causing harm like there is with Christianity (Bible) and Islam (Koran, Hadith). It’s simply wanting evidence and rational policy. Seriously, mentioning Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc is becoming hackneyed, even cringy.

Originally posted by Deadline
also I could talk about in the scientfic community athiests are ruining research into the supernatural because as soon as tests show that the supernatural exists they reject the findings.

So now it’s a conspiracy against evidence for the supernatural? Atheists are so organized and unified that they are suppressing it? Hilarious.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The problem with your example is that it improperly presumes there is a higher-order without evidence. Metaphorically speaking, pointing that out is what Atheism is.

No it doesn't improperly do anything because you come to that conclusion from observing nature. Now explain how that observation is wrong.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Mao and Stalin were not inspired to kill people by Atheism, but by Fascism, which is an ideology as dangerous as religion.

They were Communists, communism is an athiestic belief system. No Htler was a fascist, Mao and Stalin were Communists...er that's why Mao founded The Communist Party. I see how you atheists have started updating you're arguments. One of the things that Communism teaches is that religion is bad and that was one of their justifications for killing Christians.

However it just shows that you don't have to be spiritual to be irrational and evil.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Science is the study of nature, and the supernatural definitionally exists outside of nature, and therefore cannot be observed by science, so I have no idea what you are going on about there.

Stop trying to play semantics if that were the case people wouldn't be doing research on telepathy on NDES

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Conversely, common sense would indicate that one would be more motivated to commit heinous acts if he believe a divine being wanted him to do so. Congratulations on defeating your own argument.

Which is what I said actually, maybe I should underline it for you. However history doesn't prove that. Communists.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

More acts of domestic terrorism are committed by Christian-identified extremists in the United States than any other group. Our prisons are disproportionately filled with "good" Christians.

Load of rubbish, probably more liberal propaganda. Oh and the FBI don't just create fake Islamic terror plots either they also do it to other groups they do it to. So it's probaly mostly manufactured.

Originally posted by Deadline
No it doesn't improperly do anything because you come to that conclusion from observing nature. Now explain how that observation is wrong.

But people positing a higher-order are not directly observing it, are they? They are presuming it from observing other hierarchies. That makes it an unsupported hypothesis at best. And believing it without sufficient evidence is entirely improper.

Originally posted by Deadline
They were Communists, communism is an athiestic belief system. No Htler was a fascist, Mao and Stalin were Communists...er that's why Mao founded The Communist Party. I see how you atheists have started updating you're arguments. One of the things that Communism teaches is that religion is bad and that was one of their justifications for killing Christians.

However it just shows that you don't have to be spiritual to be irrational and evil.

Communism is not synonymous with Atheism. The American Pilgrims were Communists. The Hippies were also Communists. The former were conservative Christians, and the latter were involved in the New Age Movement. It is almost as if the notion or organizing society in a lateral power structure has nothing to do with whether one believes in a supreme being.

Originally posted by Deadline
Stop trying to play semantics if that were the case people wouldn't be doing research on telepathy on NDES

If telepathy can be observed and reproduced in a laboratory environment, then it is a natural phenomenon, and not supernatural at all.

Originally posted by Deadline
Which is what I said actually, maybe I should underline it for you. However history doesn't prove that. Communists.

Then you agree that it takes religion for otherwise good people to do bad things. Great.

Originally posted by Deadline
Load of rubbish, probably more liberal propaganda. Oh and the FBI don't just create fake Islamic terror plots either they also do it to other groups they do it to. So it's probaly mostly manufactured.

If you believe that, it is no wonder you believe in a god too.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
But people positing a higher-order are not directly observing it, are they? They are presuming it from observing other hierarchies. That makes it an unsupported hypothesis at best. And believing it without sufficient evidence is entirely improper.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If telepathy can be observed and reproduced in a laboratory environment, then it is a natural phenomenon, and not supernatural at all.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Conversely, common sense would indicate that one would be more motivated to commit heinous acts if he believe a divine being wanted him to do so. Congratulations on defeating your own argument.
Originally posted by Deadline
Which is what I said actually, maybe I should underline it for you. However history doesn't prove that. Communists.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Then you agree that it takes religion for otherwise good people to do bad things. Great.

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The FBI created religion in 1912 as a means of dividing people, in order to make them easier to control. Every photo, document, and artifact supposedly predating 1912 is a clever fake designed to implant false memories in the sheeple, just like they did in the 90s with Sinbad and his non-existent genie movie, Shazam.

Westboro members are actually FBI operatives tasked with destabilizing the Christian community, which has consolidated too much political power for THEM.

Great so now I got to debate two people at the same time. See you guys tommorow.

Originally posted by Deadline
Great so now I got to debate two people at the same time. See you guys tommorow.

You're not as powerful as Quan who has taken on around 9 people, at the same time, and was still winning the argument. estahuh

Seriously, that thread exists. It's in the MVF.

What is this imaginary thread, and what do I need to be on to see it?

Originally posted by cdtm
What is this imaginary thread, and what do I need to be on to see it?

I don't know. Ask Quan if he remembers the thread. I tried searching for it because I could have sworn I posted in the thread with the words "holy shit." But the search engine sucks so badly that you cannot search for two words like that. It views that search parameter as "holy||shit" in Java.

Originally posted by Deadline
Great so now I got to debate two people at the same time. See you guys tommorow.

We don't have strength in numbers. We have strength in ideas. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're not as powerful as Quan who has taken on around 9 people, at the same time, and was still winning the argument. estahuh

Seriously, that thread exists. It's in the MVF.

😂 Was he winning the argument because he kept declaring that he was winning, or was he actually more logically sound? 😂

I haven't seen Part 2 yet, but you know, it's good stuff in case anyone wanted to be on-topic...

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Lol@ the usage of children for propaganda purposes. These shitheads.

Adam, what would you consider evidence of a "higher order"?

Is observable behavior in a majority of populations, across different cultures, evidence of natural behavior? For example, observation of "pecking orders" in every known culture.

Originally posted by cdtm
Adam, what would you consider evidence of a "higher order"?

Is observable behavior in a majority of populations, across different cultures, evidence of natural behavior? For example, observation of "pecking orders" in every known culture.

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Originally posted by Surtur
Lol@ the usage of children for propaganda purposes. These shitheads.

Yeah, it's really sad with the children. They just parrot what the adults say. 🙁

Originally posted by Surtur
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Lamb of God and friends drown out Westboro Baptist morons with an army of kazoos

Kazoos, that's how you know they're meming

Originally posted by cdtm
Adam, what would you consider evidence of a "higher order"?

Is observable behavior in a majority of populations, across different cultures, evidence of natural behavior? For example, observation of "pecking orders" in every known culture.

Observing that hierarchies exist in general tells us nothing about the orders of specific hierarchies. It would be an inductive fallacy to presume that because one can imagine a higher order in a particular class that such an order exists. That is why Deadline's argument based on "observing nature" is wrong.