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I was going to say no but now that I'm considering it, does Mjolnir have any feats of not being crushed by powerful beings? All I recall is it not being lifted and being swatted away. And I don't think Hela did anything (besides the crush itself) to assume she is far and away Superman's superior in pure strength.
So while I don't think Superman can crush it, I do think there might be a valid argument for it if someone wanted to make it
Originally posted by juggermanI don't want to make the argument, but you're right, as is Broly.
I was going to say no but now that I'm considering it, does Mjolnir have any feats of not being crushed by powerful beings? All I recall is it not being lifted and being swatted away. And I don't think Hela did anything (besides the crush itself) to assume she is far and away Superman's superior in pure strength.So while I don't think Superman can crush it, I do think there might be a valid argument for it if someone wanted to make it
Originally posted by juggerman
I was going to say no but now that I'm considering it, does Mjolnir have any feats of not being crushed by powerful beings? All I recall is it not being lifted and being swatted away. And I don't think Hela did anything (besides the crush itself) to assume she is far and away Superman's superior in pure strength.So while I don't think Superman can crush it, I do think there might be a valid argument for it if someone wanted to make it
I ran some calculations. If Mjolnir was made of diamond, it would at least require 65K tons of crushing strength with its fingers.
Now, I think Uru would be way stronger than diamond...So the feat is insane.
Superman has no feat to back him up.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I ran some calculations. If Mjolnir was made of diamond, it would at least require 65K tons of crushing strength with its fingers.Now, I think Uru would be way stronger than diamond...So the feat is insane.
Superman has no feat to back him up.
Diamonds are extremely brittle. An ordinary hammer could shatter one easily.
It would be terrible to make Mjolnir out of diamond.
Therefore, you can't assume the compressive strength of Mjolnir without any feats, especially in regards to a non metal. It could be slightly more than the strongest metal we have (in compressive strength) for all we know.
In all fairness, it is not possible to determine whether Superman can do it or not, unless we use the rule: Materials and characters have a strength of the highest feat they have shown. For instance, if Superman lifing a car is his highest strength showing, then he is no stronger than lifting a car in a forum.
So either Mjolnir is at least a little stronger (in compressive strength) than our toughest metals or we use the highest compressive feat for it.
In using that rule then Superman has strength feats magnitudes above that if crushing Mjolnir.
There was nothing ever stated that Mjolnir was indestructible. or even remotley close. Infact, Hela was the only person who ever attempted to break it on screen. So assuming it was indestructbile or something extreamly hard to break with only one showing of it being attempted to break and breaking would be a no limits fallcy. Assuming Hela is the only person in the MCU or DCU that could break it is also a no limits fallacy.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I ran some calculations. If Mjolnir was made of diamond, it would at least require 65K tons of crushing strength with its fingers.Now, I think Uru would be way stronger than diamond...So the feat is insane.
Superman has no feat to back him up.
You're making assumptions. We go by feats so in order to determine how impressive Helas feat is we need to look at the durability feats for the hammer. Can you think of anything seriously impressive?
Originally posted by Surtur
You're making assumptions. We go by feats so in order to determine how impressive Helas feat is we need to look at the durability feats for the hammer. Can you think of anything seriously impressive?
Do you think that Uru is stronger than Diamond?
I mean, Neutron star energy is required to melt it...
Originally posted by h1a8
In all fairness, it is not possible to determine whether Superman can do it or not, unless we use the rule: Materials and characters have a strength of the highest feat they have shown. For instance, if Superman lifing a car is his highest strength showing, then he is no stronger than lifting a car in a forum.
It's perfectly fine to extrapolate based on other feats or even on how easily a specific feat is done. Let us tweak the car example: if a character is shown casually lifting up a car with one hand we can safely assume his strength far exceeds that needed to lift a car.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Do you think that Uru is stronger than Diamond?I mean, Neutron star energy is required to melt it...
Lol apparently there are quite a few videos showing hydraulic press shattering diamonds. And like I said, ordinary hammers can shatter diamonds. So it would be a bad idea to make Mjolnir out of diamond.
Here's one
YouTube video
Here's another
YouTube video
Lastly, your conclusion is faulty. Melting point and compressive strength aren't always correlated. Second, neutron star heat melting Uru does not imply that a lesser heat cannot.
Stars live for thousands to millions to billions of years. Harnesing the energy of one is like taking advantage of free energy.
Originally posted by Surtur
It's perfectly fine to extrapolate based on other feats or even on how easily a specific feat is done. Let us tweak the car example: if a character is shown casually lifting up a car with one hand we can safely assume his strength far exceeds that needed to lift a car.
Agreed. But we can only assume a reasonable number of times based on how casual it was. For example, Superman could reasonably lift 5-100 cars based off how casual he did it.
I meant to say with extreme effort.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lol apparently there are quite a few videos showing hydraulic press shattering diamonds. And like I said, ordinary hammers can shatter diamonds. So it would be a bad idea to make Mjolnir out of diamond.Here's one
YouTube videoHere's another
YouTube videoLastly, your conclusion is faulty. Melting point and compressive strength aren't always correlated. Second, neutron star heat melting Uru does not imply that a lesser heat cannot.
Stars live for thousands to millions to billions of years. Harnesing the energy of one is like taking advantage of free energy.
I only use Diamond because it's one of the Earth's strongest materials. Uru is definitely stronger than anything Earth has to offer.
Well you're right, but in this case we are talking about thousands of kelvins in difference between diamonds and Uru.
And change in states of matter is related to how strong the bond structures are.