Match The Feat

I think the issue is coming from how much juice it takes for him to leave the planet. for some reason superman never goes all out enough at first to make it unambiguous. like since he was trying to reserve energy he would not use it all to make the jump but if he still had enough gas in the tank when he did do the jump why did he not just do it in the first place at 100% plus all the reserves. im just saying its kinda weird feat, would anyone that could create the escape velocity be able to shatter the planet or was it superman's sheer force included. idk

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's how much he is reduced to. What does the issue say is the amount of strength he regains at the moment of the last jump after tapping into his reserves?

A very weakened Supes shattering a planet just by jumping is enough to say

He WAS using all his juice, as it were.

Then finally said phuck it,maximum effort time, then left.

It's exactly the same as with the Imperiex Probes. He was struggling with one, then later on, shredding multiple probes.

Or with Doomsday. He was dying, hurting himself on Doomsday, whilst DD was getting stronger and was 'just as fresh' or whatever.

Then killed him with an all out punch.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So you don't believe that he summoned up strength from his reserves to accomplish it?

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's pretty much the crux of the butthurt. .

Nobody really wants to admit that this feat is beyond everybody but maybe WBH - and by a significant margin - and the fact that it's a deathbed Superman makes them throw up under on their keyboard.

Instead of looking at the evidence and reaching the conclusion, people have it backwards - they have a conclusion and try to bargain their way out of depression.

"Superman is that much stronger than the rest? It can't be!"

And then we get:
[b]Denial
- the planet didn't get destroyed!
Anger
- what do you mean, Superman is that much stronger?!?!?!
Bargaining
- small planet
- hollow planet
- world forger wanted him to escape!
- the planet was a starting point!
- well, actually he didn't and it wasn't
- Superman was depowered...oh wait...
- Superman has dynamic power! Oh no, what am I saying?! backtrack, backtrack
- his fist touched the ground!
Depression
- it permeates every post
Acceptance
Never?
etc. etc.

If you'd have asked me, before this feat, if deathbed Superman could jump hard enough to destroy a planet and leap light-years I'd be like "lol, let's not get crazy here".

But it happened.

People didn't have a problem accepting WBH being much stronger than Thor and the rest.
But Superman?
Well...we can't have that! It's game over. [/B]

Good post

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Good post

WBH would punch the living shit out of Superman, please don't be more insane than you already are and think supes would even last a second

Originally posted by leonidas
hey, not sure exactly what you're asking...? did they continue to GAIN speed after they jumped? that does seem to stand to reason, but...comics. the whole feat doesn't really seem to be one that can be directly compared. it seems like a feat only superman would pull off. that doesn't mean others can't generate the force needed to break a planet of course.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
WBH would punch the living shit out of Superman, please don't be more insane than you already are and think supes would even last a second

Then maybe he can be equal to a dying Superman.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
WBH would punch the living shit out of Superman, please don't be more insane than you already are and think supes would even last a second

a dying weakened superman is stronger than WBH?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not 5%.

MINUS 5%.

And that's what the feat is showing. Superman, staggering around, unable to hold his own weight up. If a human is 0%, and normal Supes is 100%, then he MUST be weaker than a human of similar build and height.

Then he destroyed that planet. If he did it in one hit, then even if you show Thor doing it, the least he can do it in is one hit. And he wouldn't be weakened.

So full power Thor = -5%Superman.

That's why Hulkster is so adamant he wasn't weakened. Problem for him is, that implies Superman has dynamic strength, which he and others have argued Superman DOESN'T have.

It's a crazy feat, but why should Superman be equal to Thor or any Marvel character? Because they're both heralds? It's just a battleboards forum thing.

When did regaining your normal strength from a weakened state equate to dynamic strength? And I have not said that Superman doesn't have dynamic strength. I have said that his dynamic strength is not unique and not Hulk level.

Now let's be clear. Does Superman destroy a planet using less than regular human strength?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
a dying weakened superman is stronger than WBH?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not 5%.

MINUS 5%.

And that's what the feat is showing. Superman, staggering around, unable to hold his own weight up. If a human is 0%, and normal Supes is 100%, then he MUST be weaker than a human of similar build and height.

Then he destroyed that planet. If he did it in one hit, then even if you show Thor doing it, the least he can do it in is one hit. And he wouldn't be weakened.

So full power Thor = -5%Superman.

That's why Hulkster is so adamant he wasn't weakened. Problem for him is, that implies Superman has dynamic strength, which he and others have argued Superman DOESN'T have.

It's a crazy feat, but why should Superman be equal to Thor or any Marvel character? Because they're both heralds? It's just a battleboards forum thing.

But by that logic, Hulk and Thor or below regular human? Superman has always in my opinion had dynamic strength, so do the others to a lesser degree.

Originally posted by abhilegend
First you need to prove he can even break a planet by just jumping. We know he couldn't while explicitly not holding back.

Then maybe he can be equal to a dying Superman.

Typical that someone has to perform an identical feat in order to be equal. And as shown, a punch preceeds the jump.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
When did regaining your normal strength from a weakened state equate to normal strength?

IOW, still weakened. That's fair.

And I have not said that Superman doesn't have dynamic strength. I have said that his dynamic strength is not unique and not Hulk level.

Now let's be clear. Does Superman destroy a planet using less than regular human strength?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Typical that someone has to perform an identical feat in order to be equal. And as shown, a punch preceeds the jump.

Ooh. Good point.

So does the feat where Superman reassembles the Moon, is that applicable as a combat speed feat? His diner conversation with Flash?

Just wondering if we're being balanced here

Originally posted by abhilegend
First you need to prove he can even break a planet by just jumping. We know he couldn't while explicitly not holding back.

Then maybe he can be equal to a dying Superman.

Hulk would break Kent in 2-3 hits, boy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk would break Kent in 2-3 hits, boy.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
a dying weakened superman is stronger than WBH?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Typical that someone has to perform an identical feat in order to be equal. And as shown, a punch preceeds the jump.