Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My cohorts?Are you one of those guys who thinks there's some conspiracy of Superfans, and that I am one of them? Lol.
But yes, you are VERY much mistaken. As no one was using official or unofficial 'bios', lol. They were using on-panel, in-comic, statements. Context is INDEED king lmao.
You then jumped in with that statement (or rather, Carver did). So do you guys disagree with that statement now? [b]Because IF you do agree with that statement, then, well....Superman goes from -5% to 200% through sheer mindpower, no external amps, alone.
If you DISagree with that statement (and you kinda have to now ,lol), then Superman goes from -5% to 100% through sheer mindpower, no external amps, alone.
Either way, you're arguing dynamic strength there. In a forum thread, it's Superman being beaten so badly he's about to die....then suddenly, recharging back to the start of the fight (if not sundipped levels, lol).
Footsteps, and also his feat with Betty in the Dark Dimension (which destroyed more than a single planet, even though there were two of them).
He's not jumping stellar distances, or even planetary. He's achieving escape velocity. [/B]
WBH and Beatty cannot fly so they didn't gain any speed or power while they were in the air. This means that the speed and power was created by their jump, or 2 jumps in this case (beatty and WBH) yet, those 2 jumps didn't destroy the planet it was the force of the collision which combined the force of the 2 jumps and the energy that was leaking from them. This means that superman's single jump was at least as destructive as all out WBH going against WB Beatty.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Footsteps, and also his feat with Betty in the Dark Dimension (which destroyed more than a single planet, even though there were two of them).He's not jumping stellar distances, or even planetary. He's achieving escape velocity.
both superman 1M and hulk (and presumably betty) achieved escape velocity and did no damage at all to their respective planets. which is why i mentioned his ability to accelerate (as in he would have had to have achieved....infinitely greater than escape velocity to break a planet) as the only thing that could be different, which is why i said i didn't see anyone else on the list being able to perform the feat. but given what the others did, the feat remains....odd and very hard to gauge overall imo.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My cohorts?Are you one of those guys who thinks there's some conspiracy of Superfans, and that I am one of them? Lol.
But yes, you are VERY much mistaken. As no one was using official or unofficial 'bios', lol. They were using on-panel, in-comic, statements. Context is INDEED king lmao.
You then jumped in with that statement (or rather, Carver did). So do you guys disagree with that statement now? [b]Because IF you do agree with that statement, then, well....Superman goes from -5% to 200% through sheer mindpower, no external amps, alone.
If you DISagree with that statement (and you kinda have to now ,lol), then Superman goes from -5% to 100% through sheer mindpower, no external amps, alone.
Either way, you're arguing dynamic strength there. In a forum thread, it's Superman being beaten so badly he's about to die....then suddenly, recharging back to the start of the fight (if not sundipped levels, lol).
Footsteps, and also his feat with Betty in the Dark Dimension (which destroyed more than a single planet, even though there were two of them).
He's not jumping stellar distances, or even planetary. He's achieving escape velocity. [/B]
Oh yes. And my statement was based on an in comic, in continuity statement. It's clear as day that we were tossing Philosophia's logic right back at him. He was using statements, as opposed to showings, to downplay Starbrand's power and we countered with a statement that declared Superman as unable to destroy a planet. It was a "good for the goose" response. So yes, context is King. You should at least provide a link to three month old comments when you post a screen shot.
And a cohort is a supporter and you all outwardly support each other's extreme Superman bias. No conspiracy.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Oh yes. And my statement was based on an in comic, in continuity statement. It's clear as day that we were tossing Philosophia's logic right back at him. He was using statements, as opposed to showings, to downplay Starbrand's power and we countered with a statement that declared Superman as unable to destroy a planet. It was a "good for the goose" response. So yes, context is King. You should at least provide a link to three month old comments when you post a screen shot.And a cohort is a supporter and you all outwardly support each other's extreme Superman bias. No conspiracy.
All those pretty words and you still haven't answered my question.
Do you agree or disagree with that statement, that normal Superman can destroy a planet?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All those pretty words and you still haven't answered my question.Do you agree or disagree with that statement, that normal Superman can destroy a planet?
Being that we have seen it done in the comics, then clearly he can. I don't low-ball characters the way many do. Do you agree that Gladiator, Thor, Hulk, Surfer, etc. can do so?
Originally posted by leonidashi Leo, when Beatty and WBH crashed into each other did they accelerate while in the air after making the jump?
both superman 1M and hulk (and presumably betty) achieved escape velocity and did no damage at all to their respective planets. which is why i mentioned his ability to accelerate (as in he would have had to have achieved....infinitely greater than escape velocity to break a planet) as the only thing that could be different, which is why i said i didn't see anyone else on the list being able to perform the feat. but given what the others did, the feat remains....odd and very hard to gauge overall imo.
Originally posted by TheHulksterSeriously, He summoning up his reserves strength doesn't means he was suddenly returns to his normal status
So you don't believe that he summoned up strength from his reserves to accomplish it?
For example: A dying person even he summoning all his strength but doesn't means he is as strong as he in normal status
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Seriously, He summoning up his reserves strength doesn't means he was suddenly returns to his normal statusFor example: A dying person even he summoning all his strength but doesn't means he is as strong as he in normal status
So how how much of his strength does the issue state that he summons?
Kinda confused by whats being argued now? That he was weakened? Not even sure why that matters in this debate? He did it plain and simple. And after relooking at the feat, my final opinion is.
They could all shatter the planet if that was their intended goal.
None of them could do it in the way superman did.
Thor has the best planet busting feat with his fight with Gor, but he was intentionally hitting as hard as he could so its moot in regards to this thread.
Originally posted by TheHulksterJust enough to subsist
So how how much of his strength does the issue state that he summons?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Being that we have seen it done in the comics, then clearly he can. I don't low-ball characters the way many do. Do you agree that Gladiator, Thor, Hulk, Surfer, etc. can do so?
OK.
So Superman went from -5% to 100% without any external amps, just like that, IYO.
True dynamic strength. Thanks.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Kinda confused by whats being argued now? That he was weakened? Not even sure why that matters in this debate? He did it plain and simple. And after relooking at the feat, my final opinion is.They could all shatter the planet if that was their intended goal.
None of them could do it in the way superman did.
Thor has the best planet busting feat with his fight with Gor, but he was intentionally hitting as hard as he could so its moot in regards to this thread.
It's being argued because the other side really hates that at the end of the day, they're having to argue that Full Power Thor or Gladiator is still only equal to a weakened Superman.
And that's assuming they have the jumping feats in the first place
Well, I dont agree that a full powered Thor is equal to a 5% superman. Thats silly. Superman is the most powerful out of the three. I have always thought this. But lers not get crazy. These other characters have good feats to. And breaking a planet is well within the abilities if anyoneone in this thread
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Well, I dont agree that a full powered Thor is equal to a 5% superman. Thats silly. Superman is the most powerful out of the three. I have always thought this. But lers not get crazy. These other characters have good feats to. And breaking a planet is well within the abilities if anyoneone in this thread
Not 5%.
MINUS 5%.
And that's what the feat is showing. Superman, staggering around, unable to hold his own weight up. If a human is 0%, and normal Supes is 100%, then he MUST be weaker than a human of similar build and height.
Then he destroyed that planet. If he did it in one hit, then even if you show Thor doing it, the least he can do it in is one hit. And he wouldn't be weakened.
So full power Thor = -5%Superman.
That's why Hulkster is so adamant he wasn't weakened. Problem for him is, that implies Superman has dynamic strength, which he and others have argued Superman DOESN'T have.
It's a crazy feat, but why should Superman be equal to Thor or any Marvel character? Because they're both heralds? It's just a battleboards forum thing.
Originally posted by Diesldude
hi Leo, when Beatty and WBH crashed into each other did they accelerate while in the air after making the jump?
hey, not sure exactly what you're asking...? did they continue to GAIN speed after they jumped? that does seem to stand to reason, but...comics. the whole feat doesn't really seem to be one that can be directly compared. it seems like a feat only superman would pull off. that doesn't mean others can't generate the force needed to break a planet of course.
Originally posted by ShadowFyreAgreed, Superman is the most powerful character in this thread, But others are still impressive.
Well, I dont agree that a full powered Thor is equal to a 5% superman. Thats silly. Superman is the most powerful out of the three. I have always thought this. But lers not get crazy. These other characters have good feats to. And breaking a planet is well within the abilities if anyoneone in this thread
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Just enough to subsist
https://i.imgur.com/E06IUs4.jpg
That's how much he is reduced to. What does the issue say is the amount of strength he regains at the moment of the last jump after tapping into his reserves?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That's pretty much the crux of the butthurt. .
It's a crazy feat, but why should Superman be equal to Thor or any Marvel character? Because they're both heralds? It's just a battleboards forum thing.
Nobody really wants to admit that this feat is beyond everybody but maybe WBH - and by a significant margin - and the fact that it's a deathbed Superman makes them throw up under on their keyboard.
Instead of looking at the evidence and reaching the conclusion, people have it backwards - they have a conclusion and try to bargain their way out of depression.
"Superman is that much stronger than the rest? It can't be!"
And then we get:
Denial
- the planet didn't get destroyed!
Anger
- what do you mean, Superman is that much stronger?!?!?!
Bargaining
- small planet
- hollow planet
- world forger wanted him to escape!
- the planet was a starting point!
- well, actually he didn't and it wasn't
- Superman was depowered...oh wait...
- Superman has dynamic power! Oh no, what am I saying?! backtrack, backtrack
- his fist touched the ground!
Depression
- it permeates every post
Acceptance
Never?
etc. etc.
If you'd have asked me, before this feat, if deathbed Superman could jump hard enough to destroy a planet and leap light-years I'd be like "lol, let's not get crazy here".
But it happened.
People didn't have a problem accepting WBH being much stronger than Thor and the rest.
But Superman?
Well...we can't have that! It's game over.
