Originally posted by DarkSaint85Because.....he regaining his normal strength? Unless you're saying he's at 90%or something.
IOW, still weakened. That's fair.
Erm he goes from being weaker than a normal human to shattering planets. That's pretty Hulk level. Arguably more. Puny Banner is weaker than a normal human (I think, he looks pretty dorky) and at his highest levels, is breaking worlds.
No? He's got dynamic strength. Good attempt at trying to catch me out though lol. [/B]
Going from lost power back to regular power is not dynamic strength. Dynamic strength is the ability to exceed what's normal. Are you saying that Superman cannot shatter a planet at normal strength?
Well, up until now it's not as if we'd seen it every week , lol.
So no, it's not normal.
I am interested though in what 'normal' Hulk is though, if you think Hulk has true dynamic strength on a different level 🙂
Edit: maybe you can succeed where Carver failed. Step up.
What are the feats which say the othrrs can do it?
I think it can be said that Superman can use a portion of energy as if he has use of all his energy. if that is dynamic strength I have no qualm with that.
If he was what we thought was 100% the whole time and then dipped into the maximum effort then maximum effort goes past what we thought 100% is a better was of explaining superman in general maybe?
if he was not weakened and went maximum effort would he go past even those levels? just wondering
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, up until now it's not as if we'd seen it every week , lol.So no, it's not normal.
I am interested though in what 'normal' Hulk is though, if you think Hulk has true dynamic strength on a different level 🙂
Edit: maybe you can succeed where Carver failed. Step up.
What are the feats which say the othrrs can do it?
Surfer could do it.
Thor could:
Originally posted by TheHulkster👆
Surfer could do it.Thor could:
The denial became so strong that they started to compare different things to Superman's feat.
Now they're comparing the possibility that Gladiator, Thor,etc. can shatter a planet by punching (or hammering) it with a weakened Superman destroying one by merely jumping from it.
Also, the whole argument about Superman having dynamic strength is questioned too, with someone even stating that all of these "heavy hitters" have it too. Obviously Hulk has it (in a different way), Glad too ( to some extent). But Thor, the god of hammers? LOL. Unless using mjolnir, jarbjnorn, belt of strength, his daddy's power count as having "dynamic power", then he has it.
As I stated,. In order for a character to be able to do this, that character will have to have performed literally the EXACT same feat. Not they they will need to show a power display that supports the ability to do it.
It's one of many desperate efforts to situate Superman alone about e all, especially all at Marvel. The need for such an effort is telling.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Surfer could do it.Thor could:
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Here are my thoughts on the subject, and it will involve heavy headcanon and rants.
No one will ever "match" this feat because comic book writers don't put emphasis on reality or contrast it with other comic book physics in a realistic way. No one can, no one will, and Superman "can't" under another writer as indicated by his 80 years of never doing something like this. This feat is uniquely his.
As much as I hate Snyder, I do have have to applaud him for placing emphasis on the jump. Think about it; your legs are a lot stronger than your "arms" and, Superman is driving his ****ing legs down into the ground immensely hard and fast to propel himself off the planet. It's really no different than a strike for how fast Superman would be moving. Have you ever jumped off of something you can destroy with a punch? Similar shit happened here. This feat is somewhat grounded in reality/comic book physics. Much more so than retarded shit like Hulk taking a step and almost collapsing the eastern seaboard. If looking at the art too, it makes a sort of solid plate; which would mean not only the effort of his legs, but he's slamming a compacted large portion of the planet into itself. A very sudden burst of energy against a rooted planet that didn't want to move. He's not just slowly pushing, he's doing it in an explosive burst.
And onto Hulk. We can contrast him too. We have the step causing immense damage. We have a vastly superior Hulk x2 stomping on the Earth and causing no damage, and we have a superior Hulk x2 literally jumping off the planet to gain enough momentum to destroy a planet with a shockwave from a punch; while the jump did zero damage. Hulk/Betty pushing hard into the ground for explosive power causes no damage, but a shockwave - with almost all the momentum from the jump - from hundreds of feet up destroys the planet. If looking at that directly. Hulk can't destroy a planet with a jump, but he can do it with... less force...? Hulk should be able to do it, but he also can't. Hulk has no logic to him.
Anyway, the top jumping feats in comics off the top of my head are:
Mangog jumping out of the sun to Mercury
This
Superman 1 Million
IIRC someone jumped out of a black hole too, but I can't think of it specifically
Batroc
Under the same circumstances/Snyder, I think these would be your best bets to replicate it exactly.
And I think anyone who can just stand there and punch a planet apart should be able to replicate it assuming a jump drives more/similar energy into the ground than a strike at those high speeds. I don't know the exact comparisons and numbers between the two, but that's my basis. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I just know jumping isn't as simple as it sounds, and I've broken a lot of boards by putting a little too much pep in my step. It just seems so overboard because of how different it is, imo.
The biggest feat I see that people are glossing over is the fact that Superman did that in a weakened state juxtaposed with himself/Supermen failing to do the same. I think it a copout to assume it was the straw that broke the camel's back due to the way it just ****ing collapsed. Superman just ****ing annihilating something in a near-death state that he couldn't do in a far "healthier" state is the biggest feat for me, personally. Implications...
Originally posted by staxamillion
I think it can be said that Superman can use a portion of energy as if he has use of all his energy. if that is dynamic strength I have no qualm with that.If he was what we thought was 100% the whole time and then dipped into the maximum effort then maximum effort goes past what we thought 100% is a better was of explaining superman in general maybe?
if he was not weakened and went maximum effort would he go past even those levels? just wondering
never heard of that before..
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Going from lost power back to regular power is not dynamic strength. Dynamic strength is the ability to exceed what's normal. Are you saying that Superman cannot shatter a planet at normal strength?
We don’t know superman’s Normal. We know he holds back but when push comes to shove, Superman can do anything.
The guy had nothing left and then performs a feat that a combination of WB Beatty and WBH would envy.
Really showing my age here, but a long, long time ago here on KMC, there was this sentiment going around the VS forum. It was said that, unless otherwise stated, something in comics was the same as it was in the real world.
A gun in comics was like a gun in real life. Water, fire, earth, all those wonderful things? Just as they were in real life.
Fun times, those.
Oh, and it was also the times when people like Carver used to say the words "Show me Superman doing the same thing" even when doing said feat would have been wholly out of character for him to even attempt. Now that Superman is the one with the feat though, it's apparently okay to use the "well, character x wouldn't do that/hasn't been in that position to do that" argument.
Funny, that.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk melted Heralds that was distance away with the shockwaves from his punch. Fing Fang alone was power by 113 Hercules of energy. The ft that we are talking about here doesnt even come CLOSE to what Hulk and Betty did. Then they were getting more powerful as the fight progressed.
This is true.
