Match The Feat

Originally posted by cdtm
I've become on the fence about Slade. His history IS pretty solid.

And if you look at the holy grail of "human with skill over super powers", fans of Karate Kid tend to ignore he's never displayed high speedster level abilities outside of countering speedsters in combat. You won't find him running around the Earth seven times a second, or running on water, or creating whirlwinds with his hands. If he can't disarm a room full of common thugs so fast they never see him move, how is it he can counter a character who can?

What makes Val Armorr's trends better then Slades?

He did dodge that Speed Force lightning..... despite being clearly hit by it.

Also not surprised Stilt is bringing up Supergirl when KK has more examples of doing better against people on or above her level, and he may or may not have been in top shape due to context.

Originally posted by cdtm
I've become on the fence about Slade. His history IS pretty solid.

And if you look at the holy grail of "human with skill over super powers", fans of Karate Kid tend to ignore he's never displayed high speedster level abilities outside of countering speedsters in combat. You won't find him running around the Earth seven times a second, or running on water, or creating whirlwinds with his hands. If he can't disarm a room full of common thugs so fast they never see him move, how is it he can counter a character who can?

What makes Val Armorr's trends better then Slades?

His skill levels. Same way Shang Chi can hurt Rulk. Except he has mystical future space karate, wheres Shang only has mystical karate.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His skill levels. Same way Shang Chi can hurt Rulk. Except he has mystical future space karate, wheres Shang only has mystical karate.

Doesn't Shang have chi amping? Where KK just does it 'cuz skill.....and comics.

Originally posted by -Pr-
This whole "cheese feat" distinction needs to die. It's bollocks.

Pretty much.

Two years ago, I posted:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're not understanding my point.

It depends on the number of showings they have, total.

Billy has quite a few showings. So his feats need to be taken into account, more than his fights.

Gladiator does not (relative to Billy). So his fights count for much more than his feats. He is the same like Orion, who has even fewer showings still.

Hulk has TONS of showings. So his fights and feats are all equal(ish) in weighting.

IOW: if a character has very few appearances (LT, In-Betweener, Orion, Galactus) then their fights are a better gauge of their power.

The more showings a character has, and the more they start interacting with other characters, the more their fights get diluted. Lobo is a good example, as are the Lanterns. You yourself acknowledge, in team books Lobo is less impressive. Lanterns are terrible against bricks. That's when their feats become more of a gauge, where writers don't have to dilute them. Batman and Cap are also good examples of this.

The embiggened font is pretty much my summary. We can ague all day about who has more showings and who has less, but we saw this with Damage. When he first arrived, he was the Big Bad, and was collecting feats etc. Then as time went on, and he started meeting more established characters, Poison Ivy took him out...Superman stalemated him....Batman (unprepped) took his hits and only had a broken rib...Congorilla KOd him....random monsters on Monster Island etc etc etc.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Doesn't Shang have chi amping? Where KK just does it 'cuz skill.....and comics.

I count chi amping as a skill.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not.

You're the one saying so.

I asked where you put Franky. You said he beat Superman, so he's on that level.

My question is, surely he's HIGHER than that. Because how can a stronger/faster/more durable person LOSE to a weaker/slower less durable person?

Does this apply to all fights? Zod vs Hal. Hal destroyed him, so that fight is either PIS or Hal is stronger, faster and more durable than Zod?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pretty much.

Two years ago, I posted:

The embiggened font is pretty much my summary. We can ague all day about who has more showings and who has less, but we saw this with Damage. When he first arrived, he was the Big Bad, and was collecting feats etc. Then as time went on, and he started meeting more established characters, Poison Ivy took him out...Superman stalemated him....Batman (unprepped) took his hits and only had a broken rib...Congorilla KOd him....random monsters on Monster Island etc etc etc.

I count chi amping as a skill.

So what happens when a character have just as good if not better cheese fts but have better fighting showings?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I count chi amping as a skill.

But doesn't chi amping boost stats, and in some cases other stuff like the energy equivalent of brass knuckles or weighted gloves? Quite different from KK hurting someone a human shouldn't or breaking something a human shouldn't or dodging that Speed Force lightning because he's just that skilled.

Originally posted by carver9
So what happens when a character have just as good if not better cheese fts but have better fighting showings?

You know, you're not even honest or consistent on feats.

Ku Klux Klan Kid's "control" bullshit = pretty much same as chi stunts

Originally posted by carver9
Does this apply to all fights? Zod vs Hal. Hal destroyed him, so that fight is either PIS or Hal is stronger, faster and more durable than Zod?

We're talking Hal with an amped ring.

Kyle, almost crippled from his beat down, wore the same ring, and suddenly was better then new.

Originally posted by cdtm
We're talking Hal with an amped ring.

Kyle, almost crippled from his beat down, wore the same ring, and suddenly was better then new.

He was amped? Scan. Remember, Zod was pulling in power from TWO SUNS.

Originally posted by carver9
He was amped? Scan. Remember, Zod was pulling in power from TWO SUNS.

I'll get right on that. My days would be dreary, if I couldn't post scans for you to ignore.

I'll be waiting.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't need you to say anything, my love.

Just open wide.

I can't believe you left me on KMC, surrounded by those uncultured, unloving beasts.

Why you were offline for so long, carv?

Work kept me away. True story...my team asked me if I could have a meeting - come to find out they wanted to talk to me about one of my agents. She has been going around the area telling people that she slept with me. After they told me this, I had to report this to my manager...he also heard about this and was going to meet with me about it. Told him that it isnt true and I scheduled a meeting with her. She admitted to it so I had to write her up. The night that I gave her the paper work, i walk outside and my car was keyed up. Not just one line, writing all around it. Pulled the footage that night, yep, her. It made me realize that I need to step away from leadership. Women are the most craziest species on the face of this planet. So KMC driving me crazy, I used that get away time to look for a job.

Originally posted by carver9
Work kept me away. True story...my team asked me if I could have a meeting - come to find out they wanted to talk to me about one of my agents. She has been going around the area telling people that she slept with me. After they told me this, I had to report this to my manager...he also heard about this and was going to meet with me about it. Told him that it isnt true and I scheduled a meeting with her. She admitted to it so I had to write her up. The night that I gave her the paper work, i walk outside and my car was keyed up. Not just one line, writing all around it. Pulled the footage that night, yep, her. It made me realize that I need to step away from leadership. Women are the most craziest species on the face of this planet. So KMC driving me crazy, I used that get away time to look for a job.

Dude. Call the police. Ignoring comics is one thing; don't ignore someone that might actually mess with your life.

Kick her ass, Carv! Channel your inner Hulk.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Dude. Call the police. Ignoring comics is one thing; don't ignore someone that might actually mess with your life.

Yeah, I called the cops. I'm taking her to court as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I called the cops. I'm taking her to court as well.

Good stuff. Hopefully it goes smoothly for you.

Originally posted by carver9
Work kept me away. True story...my team asked me if I could have a meeting - come to find out they wanted to talk to me about one of my agents. She has been going around the area telling people that she slept with me. After they told me this, I had to report this to my manager...he also heard about this and was going to meet with me about it. Told him that it isnt true and I scheduled a meeting with her. She admitted to it so I had to write her up. The night that I gave her the paper work, i walk outside and my car was keyed up. Not just one line, writing all around it. Pulled the footage that night, yep, her. It made me realize that I need to step away from leadership. Women are the most craziest species on the face of this planet. So KMC driving me crazy, I used that get away time to look for a job.

what about giving her the d?